Injury Report: Niklas Kronwall: On LTIR; Earliest return Feb. 13

[chances14]

haven't even noticed kronwall not being in the lineup. that's how bad he's been this year

 

[obey86]

haven't even noticed kronwall not being in the lineup. that's how bad he's been this year

Yep.

Like I said:

Him being out for a while will make the people who still think he's any good realize he's actually been one of our worst defensemen this year. Whatever supposed "inferior defenseman" on the team takes Kronwall's "tough minutes" will perform just as well as Kronwall has.

 

[Henkka]

haven't even noticed kronwall not being in the lineup. that's how bad he's been this year

These are funny comments. In my eye-test offensive advanced stats, he has been second best after Green on average.

And with BinCookin's stats, also just fine.

Considering he had an injury all the time, he should come back strong if healthy again.

 

[Pavels Dog]

haven't even noticed kronwall not being in the lineup. that's how bad he's been this year

I think you should pay more attention. Defense has looked pretty awful without him imo.

Nevermind the fact that most teams can survive without ANY player for a short period of time. It's in the long run that the effects are noticed. Do I need to mention how good Montreal played at first without Price?

 

[SpookyTsuki]

I think you should pay more attention. Defense has looked pretty awful without him imo.

Nevermind the fact that most teams can survive without ANY player for a short period of time. It's in the long run that the effects are noticed. Do I need to mention how good Montreal played at first without Price?

The team scores more

 

[Flowah]

https://twitter.com/HeleneStJames/status/694270648856768513

On LTIR.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

LTIR for Kronwall the earliest he can return is February 13 against Boston.

 

[Henkka]

So some more time for Brendan Smith to raise his trade value.

 

[Heaton]

So some more time for Brendan Smith to raise his trade value.

I can't see Holland trading Smith. Possibly XO or Jensen could be on the move though.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I can't see Holland trading Smith. Possibly XO or Jensen could be on the move though.

The way that Blashill talked, It sounded like he thinks that XO has a great chance to make the team next year. So i don't think he will get moved unless it's for a massive upgrade on D i think both XO and Marchenko make the club and Sproul and Jensen are the odds ones out and get moved.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

So some more time for Brendan Smith to raise his trade value.

Don't know if true, But on of the posters on Michigan Live said that he heard a rumor that Detroit was offering Sheahan+Smith+2nd round pick to Boston for Eriksson that would be costly for a rental and the 2nd would turn into a 1st if Eriksson should sign with us i would be happy with that if true.

 

[sean3250]

The way that Blashill talked, It sounded like he thinks that XO has a great chance to make the team next year. So i don't think he will get moved unless it's for a massive upgrade on D i think both XO and Marchenko make the club and Sproul and Jensen are the odds ones out and get moved.

I doubt Sproul gets traded considering how he is playing this year. His offensive game is still there and his defensive game has markedly improved. For someone who look liked he might not make the NHL last year he has taken major strides. I don't see how he doesn't make the NHL in some capacity.

 

[Heaton]

The way that Blashill talked, It sounded like he thinks that XO has a great chance to make the team next year. So i don't think he will get moved unless it's for a massive upgrade on D i think both XO and Marchenko make the club and Sproul and Jensen are the odds ones out and get moved.

Sure, XO has a chance to make the team, but as what? The #6? Neither Marcheno nor XO have shown any ability to be difference makers, so I don't see them as being integral to the future.

 

[HockeyinHD]

The only dmen Holland is unlikely to move are Kronwall, Green, Dekeyser and Saarijarvi. Literally every other dman down the roster is likely available.

This is mostly because every other dman down the roster is a dime-a-dozen.

By the way, is Saarijarvi really a +10 on a team that has the second highest scoring dman a -32? What the bleep is going on in Flint this year? First the coach firing and subsequent walkout and renege, and now some bizarre stat lines. And 6 goalies? Wow. Craziness.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Don't know if true, But on of the posters on Michigan Live said that he heard a rumor that Detroit was offering Sheahan+Smith+2nd round pick to Boston for Eriksson that would be costly for a rental and the 2nd would turn into a 1st if Eriksson should sign with us i would be happy with that if true.

Holland won't do that

 

[FireBird71]

The only dmen Holland is unlikely to move are Kronwall, Green, Dekeyser and Saarijarvi. Literally every other dman down the roster is likely available.

This is mostly because every other dman down the roster is a dime-a-dozen.

By the way, is Saarijarvi really a +10 on a team that has the second highest scoring dman a -32? What the bleep is going on in Flint this year? First the coach firing and subsequent walkout and renege, and now some bizarre stat lines. And 6 goalies? Wow. Craziness.

2 goalies were traded....1 out for the season and 1 was released...the team is a shell of what it was opening night

 

[Winger98]

Holland won't do that

wouldn't really want him to. Maybe I'm just out of touch, but that screams overpayment to me, and I don't think Louie is a guy who puts us over the top.

 

[SoupGuru]

Some interesting numbers. We've played 4 games with Kronwall out. It's a small sample size for sure, but we're scoring more and giving up fewer without him.

In those 4 games:
GFA: 2.75
GAA: 2.00

In the previous 4 games:
GFA: 2.00
GAA: 2.00

Since we have more data the other way, let's expand those four games prior to Kronwall's injury to 10 days:
GFA: 1.90
GAA: 2.40

And if you wanted to expand that again to the 20 games before Kronwall's injury:
GFA: 2.50
GAA: 2.45

What does it all mean? Hell if I know. There's not enough info to make any solid claims.

One thing, though, we certainly don't seem to have taken much of a step back.

 

[chances14]

Some interesting numbers. We've played 4 games with Kronwall out. It's a small sample size for sure, but we're scoring more and giving up fewer without him.

In those 4 games:
GFA: 2.75
GAA: 2.00

In the previous 4 games:
GFA: 2.00
GAA: 2.00

Since we have more data the other way, let's expand those four games prior to Kronwall's injury to 10 days:
GFA: 1.90
GAA: 2.40

And if you wanted to expand that again to the 20 games before Kronwall's injury:
GFA: 2.50
GAA: 2.45

What does it all mean? Hell if I know. There's not enough info to make any solid claims.

One thing, though, we certainly don't seem to have taken much of a step back.

small sample as you said but i am not surprised by the numbers. he has been absolutely brutal for most of the year. hopefully this knee scope allows him to return to a somewhat higher level of play down the stretch.

 

[Dotter]

Don't know if true, But on of the posters on Michigan Live said that he heard a rumor that Detroit was offering Sheahan+Smith+2nd round pick to Boston for Eriksson that would be costly for a rental and the 2nd would turn into a 1st if Eriksson should sign with us i would be happy with that if true.

Wow, that's just bad.

 

[Mister Ed]

Kronwall's been bad (at producing offence) the last couple of years. He's never really been a #1 D but has been put in that position, and that's what the chart tell us.

The first chart is this year vs last year. No real difference.
The second one is 2010 vs 2016. There you can see the difference.

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[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Wow, that's just bad.

Yeah that's ridiculous for a rental. Seriously doubt what he said has any merit and we all know Holland would never do that any ways.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Sure, XO has a chance to make the team, but as what? The #6? Neither Marcheno nor XO have shown any ability to be difference makers, so I don't see them as being integral to the future.

Agreed i still see Holland upgrading the D rather is be Vatanen or maybe Shatty this summer or maybe going after Buff then i see Ouellet/Marchenko or any others making the team. Losing Q this summer to FA while retaining either one of Marchenko/Ouellet doesn't make us any better imo.

 

[FissionFire]

Good news is Kindl on an expiring contract should be a little easier to move this offseason.

 

[SoupGuru]

OK, it's been 11 games since Kronwall's injury. I looked again at team goals for and against in those games.

GFA: 3.09
GAA: 2.36