the problem is that if you have a lot of room for improvement, you're a really bad player
Lol so if Shinkaruk has a lot of room for improvement he's a "really bad player" too? He's a prospect, they all have room for improvement, some more/less than others. These guys are raw and it might take a while for them to figure out, Jensen more specifically IMO.
The problem is as you get older there is less and less room for there to be any improvement. I probably would not give up on him, but I don't think the odds are great.
Oh for sure, I'm not saying I think he's going to pan out but he's 22, that's really not that old. There's been lots of cases of guys not panning out till they're 24, 25 or even 26 which is somewhat rare but it happens. Scorer, grinder, whichever player he becomes I'm happy with as long as he makes the team. I dunno it's just my opinion but I wouldn't give up on him just yet
why dont we just aggressively sign every 22 yo that is given up on, then?
holding on to him has an opportunity cost. its not free
Truth is there's not a lot of first round picks given up on at the age of 22. Even when the Canucks gave up on Schroeder the Wild took him and he played a role on their NHL team. Not saying the Canucks messed up giving up on him because they didn't, he just didn't fit in with our team but if there's anybody worth taking a flyer on it it's a former first round pick who's still pretty young.
I'm aware that players in the NHL get signed under contract to play, it's just that the thing is he's not going to make much let alone be on a 2-way contract playing most if not the whole season in Utica. And I'd be damned if the Canucks are not giving their prospects the opportunity in the AHL to get better,
Part of me thinks that Jensen is a bust based on his AHL production, healthy scratches, and age. This is probably the most likely reality, however there was a short stint at the end of 2013-2014 where he was in the NHL playing well. For at least 1 game he looked like Canucks best player. Before I would trade or waive him I want to see him get some NHL games just to be sure.
Yeah, I kind of had this thought as well. Even though there would be a parade of crybabies if Jensen was "gifted a spot something something agenda mumble mumble optics rabble rabble spit in other prospects' faces rah rah sisboombah", there are always different ways to motivate players. Jensen may be so entitled to think that he can't prove anything in the AHL, but would work his tail off in the NHL to show he belongs.
I would be sceptical of course, but hey, anything is possible. Even if only to raise his trade value at the start of the season enough to trade him for a different project who doesn't fit in their organization.
As much as it does probably send the wrong message in general...i really would like to see Jensen given a stretch with the Sedins at some point in the coming year, if nothing more than an absolute last ditch effort to salvage any value he may have...or at the very least, to know for absolute certain that he's just not worth the investment anymore.
Why though? He's not a scorer, he's never been a scorer, and he's not showing any signs of being a scorer. Putting him in the Canucks lineup despite earning it costs your salary, and a roster spot with the twins instead of someone else...Like Kassian, or Vrbata etc.
At this point putting him in the NHL is forcing something that's not.
Guys who can't hold down a regular roster spot in the AHL don't suddenly turn into top-6 NHL forwards if they're promoted. Ever. This is a pipe dream of the worst kind.
Oh for sure, I'm not saying I think he's going to pan out but he's 22, that's really not that old. There's been lots of cases of guys not panning out till they're 24, 25 or even 26 which is somewhat rare but it happens. Scorer, grinder, whichever player he becomes I'm happy with as long as he makes the team. I dunno it's just my opinion but I wouldn't give up on him just yet