**** flows downhill- it was the pro scouts, fire them all! Oh wait, Howson was GM of Columbus; perhaps he didnt pay attention to the players in that role.
Confirmed with Link: Nicholson appointed CEO of Oilers, incl. supervising hockey operations (Presser@1PM)
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**** flows downhill- it was the pro scouts, fire them all! Oh wait, Howson was GM of Columbus; perhaps he didnt pay attention to the players in that role.
harpoon
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Trying to figure out why there are so many folks putting so much faith in Nicholson. What exactly has this guy accomplished in the NHL? I guess he would have a lot of connections, but running Hockey Canada is like being the guy who puts oil on the windmill. Rebuilding an NHL franchise is a whole different apple imo.
BoldNewLettuce
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I think its just people expect him to do the same thing he did with hc
which is bring in a great staff who can win....
CornKicker
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rboomercat90
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I think it's as simple as who out of Nicholson or the Lowe/Mac T combo would you rather put your faith into right now? After 15 years of misery it sure isn't Lowe and Mac T. Nicholson may crash and burn too but people are willing to take that gamble because what we have hasn't worked. He doesn't come with the baggage Lowe and Mactavish do. It's possible he could convince quality people to come and work here. Not sure that's the case anymore for Lowe or even if it ever was. This organization needs to move on from its past at some point, might as well start with Nicholson.
OilerFan4Life
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People bashing Shero in this thread are cracking me up.
Yes, he walked into a team that had Crosby and Malkin but look at some of his moves.
He turned Goligoski into Neal and Niskanen.
He turned Esposito and Colby Armstrong into Hossa and Dupuis.
He turned Whitney into Kunitz.
He turned Staal into Sutter, Pouliot, and Dumoulin. (I like Staal but how much better is he than Sutter alone, let alone adding a legit top 4 young d-man like Pouliot).
Yes, he walked into a team that had Crosby and Malkin but look at some of his moves.
He turned Goligoski into Neal and Niskanen.
He turned Esposito and Colby Armstrong into Hossa and Dupuis.
He turned Whitney into Kunitz.
He turned Staal into Sutter, Pouliot, and Dumoulin. (I like Staal but how much better is he than Sutter alone, let alone adding a legit top 4 young d-man like Pouliot).
KeithIsActuallyBad
You thrust your pelvis, huh!
Until someone actually loses their job I'm pretty sure he's just another crony. They snuck this thing in while everyone was in euphoria over McDavid. Pretty sneaky.
CantHaveTkachev
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the guy knows a ton of people in hockey for one..his Rolodex is massive
let give him a chance to put the right people in place before calling him a failure
I truly believe MacT has one more summer to put the pieces in place for a competitive team...if he can't do that then Nicholson fires him and brings in his guy
Beerfish
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Why the hell should mact be be 'given one more year', one more year to botch things up more?
In any case he has little power now no matter what his title says. He was forced to fire Eakins, he was forced to back away from trades.
(As an aside have we not had an animated gif yet of Nicholsons head on Vince McMahons body strutting?)
In any case he has little power now no matter what his title says. He was forced to fire Eakins, he was forced to back away from trades.
(As an aside have we not had an animated gif yet of Nicholsons head on Vince McMahons body strutting?)
Digger12
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If they were going for sneaky, why then call a press conference for all the world to see? They could have just announced it quietly on their website and be done with it.
KeithIsActuallyBad
You thrust your pelvis, huh!
Because it gave them a chance to show off the lucky socks.
If this happened pre-McDavid nobody would've cared (and some people might have actually been upset since nobody has lost their job)
Up the Irons
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he's not someone who got his job simple because he played for the Oilers in the 80s and partied with Katz. He actually ran a success, high profile, top level organization for over 10 years.
CantHaveTkachev
Legends
I'm not saying that the right thing to do...I'm saying that's what happens
Connor McDavid changes everything now...it speeds up the process exponentially due to only having 3 year to get him on the cheap before he's a 10 million dollar player
I'm hopeful Nicholson realizes this
Up the Irons
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I don't know about that. Its the most important sports coverage medium centre, as for as the NHL is concerned
that's got nothing to do with media coverage and Op-eds about Oilers bad management. That the Oilers are not being run well is now a very high profile story, all because of McDavid. The lottery win has brought everything to a head; hence, the Nicholson promotion on Monday, and not at a later date.
Lottery - Saturday
Nicholson promoted/Lowe pushed aside - Sunday
Presser - Monday.
do the math.
dustrock
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Right. One can only assume he's far more objective at this point than Lowe and Mac T, he's got nothing to "prove", and he doesn't have to be defensive about his track record.
And if he's reaching out to people like Chiarelli, Shero, McLellan, Babcock, he's going to get a response because of the work with Hockey Canada.
He can, at any rate, certainly do no worse than what we've had to date.
The Nuge
Some say…
Let's not forget he gave away draft picks like they were going out of style, that that team now has an absolutely terrible supporting cast because of him, and that he also lost a lot of trades (Morrow/Morrow swap anyone?)
joestevens29
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I heard the higher ups weren't happy with the Iggy trade either, even though Calgary has had zero impact at the NHL level from that deal yet.
I've mentioned it before, but no GM is perfect. All the best ones have their errors and no matter how many good moves are made not many GM's are really immune from being fired.
rboomercat90
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I think Mactavish's final summer to get the pieces in place was last summer. Katz opened up his wallet and let him spend to the cap. Failed to address team's most critical needs. The team finished in 28th place in a season filled with other Mactavish induced crap. You don't get another year after that and it finally looks like the organization agrees with that after the Nicholson promotion and the comments he made on Monday. Mactavish is now twisting in the wind waiting to see if Nicholson can find a replacement for him. It's fun to watch after how comfortable he was doing the same thing to Todd Nelson.
McOilbleeder
We are all Kloppites
IMO Shero's biggest flaws were:
1.) Could draft or develop the right talent
2.) His coaching choices were off point
3.) He couldn't find an upgrade for MAF
But he did well in FA (Martin and Michalek was a great move) and he normally got really good returns for his trades. (Though Murray for 2 2nds was iffy).
RCee
Oilers Anointed One
Interesting. So do you guys think Bob is going to clean house like Shanny did? He said himself he is looking at all aspects of hockey ops, so where does that leave our scouts and guys like Howson?
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Up the Irons
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it certainly appears as though Bob has identified his management team as needing an upgrade.
I think Katz has given him the green light.
I think Katz has given him the green light.
