NHL suspends season due to COVID19 - Part 3

[The Lewler]

This is just the most Boomer argument I can think of. Do better. Or we can all just take a horse and buggy around. CaRs KiLl HuNdrEdS oF PeOpLe PeR DaY

It’s legitimately framed.

Public policy is not based off “if it only saves one life “.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Yeah, lockdowns may be a luxury we can afford in richer countries, but I'm not sure if developing countries (or countries without much of a social safety net) can do the same.

Yea a country, singular. Lots of countries out there that don't have the luxeries you listed.

 

[Knave]

Yea a country, singular. Lots of countries out there that don't have the luxeries you listed.

Ah yes, I must have missed the crippling poverty and low GDP per capita Sweden has which is why they are unable to take measures. Or Canada for that matter.

Nobody should accept how far you just moved the goalposts here.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Ah yes, I must have missed the crippling poverty and low GDP per capita Sweden has which is why they are unable to take measures. Or Canada for that matter.

Nobody should accept how far you just moved the goalposts here.

Oh that's right. The coronavirus is exclusive to those countries only.

Moving goalposts? What's next you going to call me a conspiracy nut job?

 

[Micklebot]

Oh that's right. The coronavirus is exclusive to those countries only.

Moving goalposts? What's next you going to call me a conspiracy nut job?

Wasn't this all about sens comparison of Canada's vs Sweden's covid deaths and unemployment trends? That's what the post you were responding to was about when you said economy plays a role in lives too.

I mean, if you want to have a conversation about the impact of sacrificing the economy to save lives in poor countries, that's another matter all together.

 

[Sens]

Sweden and Canada are part of the few privileged countries.

NA and a few Europe countries basically runs the consumption of the global economy

In order for 600 million people in the privileged countries to lockdown

they need to show the other 7 billion people on the planet no regard

 

[Larionov]

Closer to the subject at hand, you'll note that Ontario allowed pro sports teams to open their practice facilities yesterday. Subject to 1000 conditions, mind you, but it happened. It's a pretty clear sign that the government of Ontario wants sports back just as soon as they possibly can.

The big roadblock at the moment is the "no public gatherings" edict from public health officials. For the CFL, trying to have even a late summer start to a truncated season, that's a huge problem. For the NHL, though, that's less of an issue in that the rest of the season is going to get played in the dead of summer without fans, with a later start to 2020-21. Six months from now, there's a pretty strong chance of either a) a vaccine or effective treatment b) the virus has burned itself out, much as SARS did, or c) both. I've got a pretty good feeling that there will be a full building to see Lafreniere's first game as a Sen at the CTC....

 

[Knave]

Sweden and Canada are part of the few privileged countries.

NA and a few Europe countries basically runs the consumption of the global economy

In order for 600 million people in the privileged countries to lockdown

they need to show the other 7 billion people on the planet no regard

So we should just kill our own people in solidarity while the people in these poor countries die and as we keep exploiting them?

That's your plan?

 

[Sens]

So we should just kill our own people in solidarity? That's your plan?

I have no issue with the current measures in place for Ontario

 

[Knave]

19,000 tests (so probably like ~18,000 people tested) and 346 positive cases.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Both Canada and the US test nearly twice as much per capita than Sweden as well
Mortality Risk of COVID-19 - Statistics and Research

 

[DrEasy]

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Both Canada and the US test nearly twice as much per capita than Sweden as well
Mortality Risk of COVID-19 - Statistics and Research

Kinda makes sense, if they aren't locking things down the virus will propagate faster, and if they're not testing much then the mortality rate is skewed because mostly people who are sick (or are dead) are being testing there. The question is: will we also end up with the same eventual percentage of people who test positive, just getting there more slowly? In that case, the only benefit is that we didn't overwhelm our hospitals by doing so. If their hospitals can handle their current load then they don't lose anything.

This is why I don't believe in a one-size-fits-all approach to this. It could be that both Sweden and Canada are doing the right thing given their respective contexts.

 

[Sweatred]

If the league artificially maintains the cap ceiling I wonder if they lower the floor relative to expected revenues?

 

[Knave]

17,000 tests, 294 new cases. Lowest in a long time despite maintaining relatively high tests.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

17,000 tests, 294 new cases. Lowest in a long time despite maintaining relatively high tests.

Crap weather. Good social distancing.

Good weather. Crap social distancing.

 

[Larionov]

Crap weather. Good social distancing.

Good weather. Crap social distancing.

Weather is pretty nice in Georgia, and they are seeing their cases continue to drop despite re-opening 15 days ago, and re-opening restaurants about a week ago. The connection between this virus's curve and public policy measures is a lot less clear than people want to believe...

 

[5ive4Fighting]

Sens Covid “face coverings” at nhlshop.com in case anyone else missed them. Shipping by June 30. I bit! LOL.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Sens Covid “face coverings” at nhlshop.com in case anyone else missed them. Shipping by June 30. I bit! LOL.

Maybe the NHLPA bought them all up and donated them to people who have to work like grocery store workers, etc.

Are any team mask left?

 

[Knave]

Sens Covid “face coverings” at nhlshop.com in case anyone else missed them. Shipping by June 30. I bit! LOL.

I did too and I immediately regretted it. I'll still get them. I'm not cancelling. f*** it.

 

[5ive4Fighting]

Maybe the NHLPA bought them all up and donated them to people who have to work like grocery store workers, etc.

Are any team mask left?

Only the Leafs, probably because of how often fans have to throw up a little in their mouth. Ha ha! J/K . They’re all labelled “pre-sell” items for all teams. New maybe? Not sure.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Only the Leafs, probably because of how often fans have to throw up a little in their mouth. Ha ha! J/K . They’re all labelled “pre-sell” items for all teams. New maybe? Not sure.

Leafs masks were pulled as a choking hazard.

 

[5ive4Fighting]

Leafs masks were pulled as a choking hazard.

Bahahahaha!

 

[Knave]

So if the testing numbers on the Canadian government's website are accurate (they use formulas to get a persons tested instead of tests completed) Ontario makes up the vast majority of tests while we wait for 2 of the territories, Alberta and Manitoba to be added:

59	British Columbia	Colombie-Britannique	10/5/2020	93431		1763
48	Alberta	Alberta	10/5/2020	169415		0
47	Saskatchewan	Saskatchewan	10/5/2020	34093		640
46	Manitoba	Manitoba	10/5/2020	29438		0
35	Ontario	Ontario	10/5/2020	419802		17041
24	Quebec	Québec	10/5/2020	278389		1602
10	Newfoundland and Labrador	Terre-Neuve-et-Labrador	10/5/2020	9802		103
13	New Brunswick	Nouveau-Brunswick	10/5/2020	16750		333
12	Nova Scotia	Nouvelle-Écosse	10/5/2020	34820		289
11	Prince Edward Island	Île-du-Prince-Édouard	10/5/2020	3846		69
60	Yukon	Yukon	10/5/2020	1075		0
61	Northwest Territories	Territoires du Nord-Ouest	10/5/2020	1799		9
62	Nunavut	Nunavut	10/5/2020	568		0
99	Repatriated travellers	Voyageurs rapatriés	10/5/2020	76		0
1	Canada	Canada	10/5/2020	1093304		21849

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

17,000 of 21,849. The Territories numbers will be negligible. Alberta seems to be around the 3,000 mark, Manitoba around 800.

So we're completing roughly 65% of all tests in Canada while making up 38% of the population. That's no reason to stop, lets keep pushing for 20,000 and beyond. Lets make sure we have the ability to trace people when we reopen so we can squash it without needing a full lockdown.

Big question here is what happened to Quebec's numbers and why did they collapse today? Is this a one off?

And really - we need COVID isolation buildings. I get how dystopian that seems to some people but lets say I caught it. If I knew there was a building I could go to where I'd have food, water, some basic entertainment (TV or a game console or a computer or wifi for my laptop)... I'd go there and further reduce risk to my family.

 

[DrEasy]

And really - we need COVID isolation buildings. I get how dystopian that seems to some people but lets say I caught it. If I knew there was a building I could go to where I'd have food, water, some basic entertainment (TV or a game console or a computer or wifi for my laptop)... I'd go there and further reduce risk to my family.

It doesn't have to be dystopian. I imagine most hotels are empty right now. This could be good business for those hotels willing to re-open, with the government subsidizing the stay to some extent.

Of course plenty of precaution required for providing service.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

So if the testing numbers on the Canadian government's website are accurate (they use formulas to get a persons tested instead of tests completed) Ontario makes up the vast majority of tests while we wait for 2 of the territories, Alberta and Manitoba to be added:

59	British Columbia	Colombie-Britannique	10/5/2020	93431		1763
48	Alberta	Alberta	10/5/2020	169415		0
47	Saskatchewan	Saskatchewan	10/5/2020	34093		640
46	Manitoba	Manitoba	10/5/2020	29438		0
35	Ontario	Ontario	10/5/2020	419802		17041
24	Quebec	Québec	10/5/2020	278389		1602
10	Newfoundland and Labrador	Terre-Neuve-et-Labrador	10/5/2020	9802		103
13	New Brunswick	Nouveau-Brunswick	10/5/2020	16750		333
12	Nova Scotia	Nouvelle-Écosse	10/5/2020	34820		289
11	Prince Edward Island	Île-du-Prince-Édouard	10/5/2020	3846		69
60	Yukon	Yukon	10/5/2020	1075		0
61	Northwest Territories	Territoires du Nord-Ouest	10/5/2020	1799		9
62	Nunavut	Nunavut	10/5/2020	568		0
99	Repatriated travellers	Voyageurs rapatriés	10/5/2020	76		0
1	Canada	Canada	10/5/2020	1093304		21849

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

17,000 of 21,849. The Territories numbers will be negligible. Alberta seems to be around the 3,000 mark, Manitoba around 800.

So we're completing roughly 65% of all tests in Canada while making up 38% of the population. That's no reason to stop, lets keep pushing for 20,000 and beyond. Lets make sure we have the ability to trace people when we reopen so we can squash it without needing a full lockdown.

Big question here is what happened to Quebec's numbers and why did they collapse today? Is this a one off?

And really - we need COVID isolation buildings. I get how dystopian that seems to some people but lets say I caught it. If I knew there was a building I could go to where I'd have food, water, some basic entertainment (TV or a game console or a computer or wifi for my laptop)... I'd go there and further reduce risk to my family.

. Good post. Quebec has had issues with their counts in the past . May 3rd they added cases missed previously.. You can see a spike in their numbers and Canada numbers there. Not sure for today.

Need contact tracing on this kind of thing and a way to isolate to prevent spread.
64 workers infected with COVID-19 at Cargill meat processing plant in Quebec