VLU5
Registered User
- Aug 21, 2014
- 484
- 35
Can people calm down. He hasn't played a single game in the NHL yet it's not fair to call someone a top 10 before their first game.
Dude...
Can people calm down. He hasn't played a single game in the NHL yet it's not fair to call someone a top 10 before their first game.
Datsyuk isn't top 10 and Zetterberg plays more wing than center now.
Cut those two, put in Giroux and Backstrom, Toews comes down 2 points.
Defensive awareness: Toews (94)
Faceoffs: Toews, Bergeron (95)
Stick checking: Crosby, Toews, Weber, Suter (93)
Ugh, give me a break. Faceoffs are pretty much the only thing you can't screw up because stats don't lie in that regard. What could possibly be the justification to put Toews up at #1?
Lol and then Giroux is at 85 and Pavelski is at 80. The attention to detail by EA is just horrific for things like this.
Besides the fact that Toews is elite in faceoffs literally every season? 56.5% last year, 57.3% in 13-14, 59.9% in 12-13, 59.4% in 11-12, 56.7% in 10-11, 57.4% in 09-10. It's very clearly you that needs to pay better attention to detail.
Ugh, give me a break. Faceoffs are pretty much the only thing you can't screw up because stats don't lie in that regard. What could possibly be the justification to put Toews up at #1?
Lol and then Giroux is at 85 and Pavelski is at 80. The attention to detail by EA is just horrific for things like this.
Did I say he wasn't good, even great at them? The "best" is what I have an issue with. There's just no way he should be considered at Bergeron's level for this, especially considering Bergeron is coming off a historic season for faceoffs (60.2% while taking the most faceoffs in the league is absurd). EA made a conscious decision to put Toews' defensive awareness, faceoffs, and stick checking as the best in the league.
When you look at players like Pavelski and Giroux, how could they be considered so far below Toews (or others that are undeservedly way higher) for faceoffs? Is there one argument to support Tavares being better at faceoffs than Pavelski? It's just so unbelievably lazy. Such a simple thing to get right, and it's way out of whack. It's almost like they're drawing numbers out of a hat.
Toews is overrated. In other news, the sky is blue.
He's not the only one, Crosby is also overrated in the game. He has higher defensive awareness than Hossa
Toews isnt "the best" at faceoffs in the game. He's tied with Bergeron. I have no problem with that. How exactly is Toews not on Bergeron's level? They are two of the best faceoff men in the buisness. Some years Toews has beaten Bergeron in faceoff % and more of the years Bergeron has gotten the better of Toews. Maybe Bergeron could have been a 96. If thats really what set you off about these ratings, you should go threw and look at some of the other ones (Crosby being one of the best defensive forwards in the game stands out)
I'm not saying some of the faceoff ratings arent moronic. I think once they get outside the top 10 they dont care too much and put in random inputs.
This isn't just an anti-Toews rant. I think it's just a great example of what is wrong with EA's ratings. If they aren't just completely lazy and input the same attributes as last year (which is usually the case), they go in with these preconceived notions of what they want and skew the numbers to support that just so they get the overall they want. I'm assuming Crosby's defensive awareness was just to boost that overall total.
As for faceoffs, you'll notice that Bergeron has been a decent margin ahead of Toews for a while now. Toews more or less entered the league as a faceoff wunderkind; he's blessed with remarkable quickness and hand-eye coordination. With Bergeron, while he obviously isn't devoid of those qualities, it's been a career long progression where he's kept working at it and getting better, and he's the best he's ever been right now. The last years that Toews was ahead was 2011/12 and 2010/11, both by the smallest margin of 0.1%. Since then, Bergeron is at 60% (4567 total faceoffs), and Toews is at 57.6% (4152 total faceoffs). That's a sizable gap that should be recognized, and the gap was the widest last season at 3.7%. It just doesn't add up to being equal.
It shouldn't be, "Yeah, I think these guys are known for being good at faceoffs and are well-known Selke candidates so we should try to boost their overall defensive rating more. 95 seems right." Put some damn effort into it, especially if you're going to do a reveal like this.
I'll be interested in seeing Thornton's faceoff rating. Guarantee it's stuck at 85 despite the fact that he's become one of the most dominant faceoff guys in the league. Hell, it might be lower because the general perception of Thornton's game has gone down a bit since then.