New Line combos and roster thread

[Stephen]

Ya just don’t know who that is?
Who has our best point shot?
Muzz, JT, Willie?

Or do we go and find a cannon shot like a Frk who tees it up? (Not Frk but someone who could be a specialist).

 

[Stonehands1990]

Why

Must be Randy Carlyle’s burner account

 

[ottomaddox]

Toronto's PP is not a booming point shot away from being respectable.

I think if anything we are 1 coach and 1GM away from it being respectable.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

Toronto's PP is not a booming point shot away from being respectable.

I think if anything we are 1 coach and 1GM away from it being respectable.

plus 1 rational fan base.

 

[egd27]

Or do we go and find a cannon shot like a Frk who tees it up? (Not Frk but someone who could be a specialist).

No cap for "specialists". Likely won't have the traditional 3 press box guys.

plus 1 rational fan base.

You believe that not being satisfied with the results of that PP is being irrational? Care to expand on that statement?

 

[ACC1224]

Traffic disrupts the goalie's vision on more than just shots. It also effects his ability to see passes and determine the flow of play around the zone. Also, traffic tends to push the goalie back towards the goal line, which increases the area of open net.

Outside of the lack of traffic, Marner's selfishness was the next biggest issue.

Don’t you mean ‘unselfishness’?

 

[ottomaddox]

plus 1 rational fan base.

Many fans were sold on Dion years ago and his booming point shot.

Was that rational?

 

[Dreakmur]

Don’t you mean ‘unselfishness’?

No, Marner selfishly wanted to be the shooter far too often.

 

[ACC1224]

No, Marner selfishly wanted to be the shooter far too often.

I thought his biggest weakness is always looking to pass which made the PP far too predictable.
He needs to shoot more, IMO.

 

[Magic Man]

I don't know if it will fix their issues, but I'd like them to spread the wealth a bit on the PP. They need someone capable on that second unit. They also don't really need to over stock the first unit, it should work with just a few of them. I think Sandin and Spezza are good PP specialists. Something like..

Matthews - JT - Kase
Sandin - Marner

Ritchie - Kerfoot - Nylander
Rielly - Spezza

Nylander would take the draw and then swap places with Kerfoot.

I like Muzzin's point shot for a possible spot. Maybe Bunting becomes an option up front.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

One difference that potentially stands out is icetime. Kampf has shown ability to handle more in line with 3rd line usage, Nash has basically been a 4th liner his whole career.

Kampf gets 3 line minutes? Not a chance champ. The guy is not that great at all offensively. He’s not particularly good period ( by the numbers) but hey Dubas knows what he’s doing. I can’t say I understand the thinking even signing this guy.
He will start you with the puck majority of the time. I think i will reserve evaluation on him because it certainly depends on who he gets for linemates. Defense specialist basically but I’m not sure on this guy

 

[diehardleafsfan9878]

I don't know if it will fix their issues, but I'd like them to spread the wealth a bit on the PP. They need someone capable on that second unit. They also don't really need to over stock the first unit, it should work with just a few of them. I think Sandin and Spezza are good PP specialists. Something like..

Matthews - JT - Kase
Sandin - Marner

Ritchie - Kerfoot - Nylander
Rielly - Spezza

Nylander would take the draw and then swap places with Kerfoot.

I like Muzzin's point shot for a possible spot. Maybe Bunting becomes an option up front.

Stacking the pp isn't the issue. The issue is that everything runs through Marner. The pp is going to come out scorching hot again this year, everyone will think somethings changed, but it hasn't. And as teams tighten up defensively, and learn their systems, the pp will disappear again and everyone will question what the problem is.

The problem is Marner on the half wall with a muffin shot. Maybe Ritchie playing the net-front will be better to bang in rebounds but that can't be counted on.

It's so easy to fix the problem. Move Marner to the bumper, he's very creative, and good in tight places. Tavares down to net-front and Nylander and Matthews on the walls.

 

[Menzinger]

Kampf gets 3 line minutes? Not a chance champ. The guy is not that great at all offensively. He’s not particularly good period ( by the numbers) but hey Dubas knows what he’s doing. I can’t say I understand the thinking even signing this guy.
He will start you with the puck majority of the time. I think i will reserve evaluation on him because it certainly depends on who he gets for linemates. Defense specialist basically but I’m not sure on this guy

He was getting almost 15 min a night on average last season with the Hawks.

I don't think the Leafs will use a traditional bottom six, rather will have an offensive unit and a defensive unit with fairly balanced icetime between them.

 

[Kiwi]

I thought his biggest weakness is always looking to pass which made the PP far too predictable.
He needs to shoot more, IMO.

His shot is accurate but lacks power imo, if he's going to shoot more he needs to get in as close as possible and our net front guy needs to be creating havoc in front

That also means the guys he passes to need to go towards the net as well so he can still pass if something opens up with more movement

 

[zeke]

Last Year Even Strength Minutes

Hyman 15:53 --- Matthews 18:09 --- Marner 17:21
Galchenyuk 12:55 --- Tavares 15:33 --- Nylander 14:09
Thornton 11:47 --- Kerfoot 12:19 --- Mikheyev 12:28
Simmonds 10:11 --- Engvall 11:17 --- Spezza 8:53

PP

Matthews 3:13 --- Marner 3:07 --- Tavares 2:36 --- Nylander 2:25

Thornton 1:55 --- Simmonds 1:47 --- Hyman 1:30 --- Spezza 1:20

PK

Hyman 1:57 --- Marner 1:56

Mikheyev 1:35 --- Kerfoot 1:31

Spezza 0:48 --- Engvall 0:32

 

[Allhailtheleafs]

Pp lines should be

Bunting-Matthews-nylander
Rielly-marner
Kerfoot-tavares-kase
Sandin-brodie

Pk
Ritchie-kampfe-simmonds
Muzzin-holl
Kerfoot/Engvall-brooks-spezza
Dermott-brodie

 

[Wafflewhipper]

He was getting almost 15 min a night on average last season with the Hawks.

I don't think the Leafs will use a traditional bottom six, rather will have an offensive unit and a defensive unit with fairly balanced icetime between them.

He didn’t play that well for a weak hawks team. I’m not sure i really understand the thinking behind this move. I am not a adv stats guy but his were sh!tty and he doesn’t score. He is definitely not a signing the statistics said sign,doesn’t add scoring and isn’t a physical player. Just a bland player that played sheltered minutes with the the same linemates. Then he got crushed when away from his chemistry line. I’m not big on this signing. Something isn’t right.

 

[Mess]

He didn’t play that well for a weak hawks team. I’m not sure i really understand the thinking behind this move. I am not a adv stats guy but his were sh!tty and he doesn’t score. He is definitely not a signing the statistics said sign,doesn’t add scoring and isn’t a physical player. Just a bland player that played sheltered minutes with the the same linemates. Then he got crushed when away from his chemistry line. I’m not big on this signing. Something isn’t right.

Leafs PK% last year was 24th out of 31 teams.

One of the main reason the Leafs added Kampf was for his FO% as he took the 3rd most SH FO in the league last year with 175 with a winning% of 41.7 winning% and and overall 52.8% on the draw. He also finished 25th OA in SH TOI/g last year at 2:19, but had the 10th most SH TOI at 129:21 minutes total.

He is basically replacing Hyman PK minutes 1:58 SH TOI/g lost to departure and as a natural centre with being strong in the dot hopefully able to improve on Leafs struggling PK, by winning some FO and Leafs clearing the puck out of the zone while SH.

Auston Matthews took 250 DZ FO and Tavares 231 while Kampf took 417 defensive zone FO last year. So late in games when Leafs are trying to hold on to leads he could be deployed strategically as needed.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Leafs PK% last year was 24th out of 31 teams.

One of the main reason the Leafs added Kampf was for his FO% as he took the 3rd most SH FO in the league last year with 175 with a winning% of 41.7 winning% and and overall 52.8% on the draw. He also finished 25th OA in SH TOI/g last year at 2:19 ...

He is basically replacing Hyman PK minutes 1:58 SH TOI/g lost to departure and as a natural centre with being strong in the dot hopefully able to improve on Leafs struggling PK.

Yes faceoffs were good and i meant to say it’s a positive he has

 

[IPS]

Toronto's PP is not a booming point shot away from being respectable.

I think if anything we are 1 coach and 1GM away from it being respectable.

You don't believe that the current setup can't be reconfigured for success?

 

[ottomaddox]

You don't believe that the current setup can't be reconfigured for success?

It's pretty hard to use the word "success" when it comes to TOR.

Right now expectations are so low that a playoff series win will blow us away.

 

[Nylander88]

Pk
Ritchie-kampfe-simmonds
Muzzin-holl
Kerfoot/Engvall-brooks-spezza
Dermott-brodie

How'd you still get 5 guys out there while shorthanded?haha

 

[diehardleafsfan9878]

How'd you still get 5 guys out there while shorthanded?haha

Easy, just keep sending 5 guys over every time the game is in play. What are they going to do, penalize you? I'm sure at some point they will stop calling it and just allow you to play shorthanded with 5 guys.

 

[Gary Nylund]

It's pretty hard to use the word "success" when it comes to TOR.

Right now expectations are so low that a playoff series win will blow us away.

Indeed, indeed. I feel like if we ever do win a round with this core, it will feel like such a major breakthrough that many people here will be acting as if multiple cup wins were imminent.

 

[mydnyte]

No cap for "specialists". Likely won't have the traditional 3 press box guys.



You believe that not being satisfied with the results of that PP is being irrational? Care to expand on that statement?

Its not irrational, but the Leafs had the best PP in the league until Matthews hurt his wrist, then they were forced to make changes.

Afterwards, they never went back to the original style, so, thats on the coaching staff.

all the best PP's in the league load up on one unit, not a balanced 2 line PP format, and when you have Matthews, you get him the puck as often as you can, but, you need to do it the way TB, or Boston does rather than Washington.
Marner needs to learn how to shoot better though, and that alone will make the PP better, he needs to be a mid range threat to score.