GDT: New Jersey Devils vs Washington Capitals - 7:00 PM MSG+

[Devs4L]

I think more than trying to look at any one factor that's causing Cory's inconsistency, you can look to the fact that this is a guy that's just getting his first taste of what it is to be a #1 goalie, and find a lot of reasons there.

He's doing it behind a young defense, as well.

Going from being a backup/tandem goalie to being a bona fide starter wasn't going to be without its hiccups and learning experiences for him. There's a whole mental side to getting used to having the majority of the work load, let alone a physical side.

He's got to work through it, and learn what it takes to find consistency.

 

[njdevil26]

I don't care if the team lost 67-0 tonight. Without this team, being able to score a goal, I don't question the goalie... Period.

 

[Benedict Parisechuk]

The lack of NHL talent and entertainment value displayed by NJD tonight was criminal.

I would love to know what's going on in Lou's head right now. Guy has to be absolutely ashamed and embarrassed at the garbage ass product he created. We're reaching expansion team levels of bad and the dingbat coach makes everything worse with his asinine lineup decisions. The day Pete and Lou are gone will be the day this franchise finally turns it around, I truly believe that. Enough is enough with this dogpiss regime.

 

[Eggtimer]

Who gives a **** about Brayden Holtby? This franchise is in shambles, I don't give a rat's ass about who the other team's goalie is or what his modified quasi-linear relative CORSI-adjusted work rate per Saturday in October is.

Rofl. This gave me a good chuckle.
Exactly what I was thinking while reading over this thread, very well put.

Glad we lost tonight so Lou is hopefully not delusional about playoff hopes , and signs Bertuzzi or Steve Sullivan or some other 40 year old washed up hack to a 3 year deal at the deadline for a playoff push.

Still think this team is a hot mess and terrible and not DeBoers fault , but if he dresses Harrold over Larsson or Gelinas one more time.... I am going to snap and lose my marbles

 

[Devils Dominion]

I would love to know what's going on in Lou's head right now. Guy has to be absolutely ashamed and embarrassed at the garbage ass product he created. We're reaching expansion team levels of bad and the dingbat coach makes everything worse with his asinine lineup decisions. The day Pete and Lou are gone will be the day this franchise finally turns it around, I truly believe that. Enough is enough with this dogpiss regime.

I couldnt have said it any better.

Just think, 2 goals in the last 3 games, all at home.

Tonight was doomed before the puck was even dropped.

It hasn't been this futile in 30 years.

 

[Eggtimer]

I couldnt have said it any better.

Just think, 2 goals in the last 3 games, all at home.

Tonight was doomed before the puck was even dropped.

It hasn't been this futile in 30 years.

As a huge Devils fan , it is so frustrating and depressing that there is no easy fix or quick turn around or bright spots or anything to look forward to about how crappy our forwards are.

We have two "decent " forwards under 30 years old. Henrique and Zajac.... And Zajac is looking to be nothing more than an "ok" 2nd line C that's good defensively and can put up 20-30 points a year

Cams is good , but is on the wrong side of 30 and is somewhat injury prone.

After that we have........... Nothing.
Boucher has been crap this year.
Matteau projects to be a bottom 9 forward (if we are lucky)
Quinville is not exactly setting the world on fire
None of our forward prospects are "blue chip" projected top 6 studs.
Sick of the Sislo/Sesito/Dorito/Sestislo/ no name , dime a dozen , scub call ups that are career AHL players that average like 9 goals a year in the AHL.


We NEED a McDavid or Eichel or we are totally screwed for a few years.
Without a slam dunk stud like these two, I have no confidence in Conte or scouting staff to draft any forward that will be a legit top 6 player.

Only hope is McDavid and trade one of our young D for a young forward , get rid of all our old washed up , under performing players for whatever picks possible ( most are not even worth a 5th )

 

[glenwo2]

As a huge Devils fan , it is so frustrating and depressing that there is no easy fix or quick turn around or bright spots or anything to look forward to about how crappy our forwards are.

We have two "decent " forwards under 30 years old. Henrique and Zajac.... And Zajac is looking to be nothing more than an "ok" 2nd line C that's good defensively and can put up 20-30 points a year

Cams is good , but is on the wrong side of 30 and is somewhat injury prone.

After that we have........... Nothing.
Boucher has been crap this year.
Matteau projects to be a bottom 9 forward (if we are lucky)
Quinville is not exactly setting the world on fire
None of our forward prospects are "blue chip" projected top 6 studs.
Sick of the Sislo/Sesito/Dorito/Sestislo/ no name , dime a dozen , scub call ups that are career AHL players that average like 9 goals a year in the AHL.


We NEED a McDavid or Eichel or we are totally screwed for a few years.
Without a slam dunk stud like these two, I have no confidence in Conte or scouting staff to draft any forward that will be a legit top 6 player.

Only hope is McDavid and trade one of our young D for a young forward , get rid of all our old washed up , under performing players for whatever picks possible ( most are not even worth a 5th )

Don't you mean bottom 6?

 

[Emperoreddy]

As a huge Devils fan , it is so frustrating and depressing that there is no easy fix or quick turn around or bright spots or anything to look forward to about how crappy our forwards are.

We have two "decent " forwards under 30 years old. Henrique and Zajac.... And Zajac is looking to be nothing more than an "ok" 2nd line C that's good defensively and can put up 20-30 points a year

Cams is good , but is on the wrong side of 30 and is somewhat injury prone.

After that we have........... Nothing.
Boucher has been crap this year.
Matteau projects to be a bottom 9 forward (if we are lucky)
Quinville is not exactly setting the world on fire
None of our forward prospects are "blue chip" projected top 6 studs.
Sick of the Sislo/Sesito/Dorito/Sestislo/ no name , dime a dozen , scub call ups that are career AHL players that average like 9 goals a year in the AHL.


We NEED a McDavid or Eichel or we are totally screwed for a few years.
Without a slam dunk stud like these two, I have no confidence in Conte or scouting staff to draft any forward that will be a legit top 6 player.

Only hope is McDavid and trade one of our young D for a young forward , get rid of all our old washed up , under performing players for whatever picks possible ( most are not even worth a 5th )

Quennville is currently a PPG player right now. Do you not follow what are prospects are actually doing?

 

[zharkenby]

Quennville is currently a PPG player right now. Do you not follow what are prospects are actually doing?

PPG is very average for post draft year first round picks. Btw barbashev is emerging as one of the top players in his league, where as Q is nowhere near it. We truly have nothing at forward right now it's embarrassing. If we trade away all the older guys we don't even have prospects to call up. Spots would get plugged by the sestitos and sislos. Let's face it, this team is pretty ****ed

 

[MadDevil]

Glad I turned it off after the second. I'm in the same place of apathy I was during the MacLean debacle. And I don't see it getting much better, even if we dump the coach.

 

[nugg]

underachieving . . . ? I don't know. Compare the two clubs' rosters tonight, that pretty much dictated the result. We don't have Ovechkin, Backstrom, Green, even Orpik et al. - and the middle of their line up is stronger than we are also. While we have Bernier and Tootoo and Sislo and a few quite older players who were playing back to back games after a real big effort last night.

When they got the first goal tonight you felt it was over. The only way we could win - like last night - was to score first. And in fact that's why we won last night - yet when we got up on Tampa Bay both goals were good bounces last night - Henrique's came off the backboard in front of an open net; and Elias' was a beautiful spin o rama move but a knuckleball that came off the defenseman's stick. If we'd got the same bounces tonight, we might have held on for an overtime who knows. But that's going to be the story this season we had better get used to it.

And of course, we are not used to it. The fans in NJ are used to winning. We are in year 3 of the seven Biblical lean years all the same.

Wow, a reference to Joseph Jacob's son

 

[John Pedro]

As a huge Devils fan , it is so frustrating and depressing that there is no easy fix or quick turn around or bright spots or anything to look forward to about how crappy our forwards are.

We have two "decent " forwards under 30 years old. Henrique and Zajac.... And Zajac is looking to be nothing more than an "ok" 2nd line C that's good defensively and can put up 20-30 points a year

Cams is good , but is on the wrong side of 30 and is somewhat injury prone.

After that we have........... Nothing.
Boucher has been crap this year.
Matteau projects to be a bottom 9 forward (if we are lucky)
Quinville is not exactly setting the world on fire
None of our forward prospects are "blue chip" projected top 6 studs.
Sick of the Sislo/Sesito/Dorito/Sestislo/ no name , dime a dozen , scub call ups that are career AHL players that average like 9 goals a year in the AHL.


We NEED a McDavid or Eichel or we are totally screwed for a few years.
Without a slam dunk stud like these two, I have no confidence in Conte or scouting staff to draft any forward that will be a legit top 6 player.

Only hope is McDavid and trade one of our young D for a young forward , get rid of all our old washed up , under performing players for whatever picks possible ( most are not even worth a 5th )

Always drafting the hard worker guy over the skilled one. Chatham over Brayden Point (first round potential and now will play for Canada u20) is pretty unbelievable. We pass Kamenev to draft another defenseman We need a new scout team.

 

[HellOnIce]

Always drafting the hard worker guy over the skilled one. Chatham over Brayden Point (first round potential and now will play for Canada u20) is pretty unbelievable. We pass Kamenev to draft another defenseman We need a new scout team.

Yeah, maybe we shouldn't have drafted Tedenby then. Oh wait, we drafted skill on that one. Oops.

 

[captainscott]

I don't care if the team lost 67-0 tonight. Without this team, being able to score a goal, I don't question the goalie... Period.

i agree goaltending is the only area of this team i am not concerned with if we were losing 5-4 every night i would care....but you can't win 0-0 so its moot point and will continue to be a moot point

 

[captainscott]

Glad I turned it off after the second. I'm in the same place of apathy I was during the MacLean debacle. And I don't see it getting much better, even if we dump the coach.

me too i shut it off after goal 2 I'm in apathy and its not xmas yet... weird i will tune in once we shed the vets off this lineup and get a new coach.... i agree a new coach will not turn this titanic around but will give me a reason to tune in

 

[captainscott]

Quennville is currently a PPG player right now. Do you not follow what are prospects are actually doing?

call him up

 

[captainscott]

Rofl. This gave me a good chuckle.
Exactly what I was thinking while reading over this thread, very well put.

Glad we lost tonight so Lou is hopefully not delusional about playoff hopes , and signs Bertuzzi or Steve Sullivan or some other 40 year old washed up hack to a 3 year deal at the deadline for a playoff push.

Still think this team is a hot mess and terrible and not DeBoers fault , but if he dresses Harrold over Larsson or Gelinas one more time.... I am going to snap and lose my marbles

yeah the playoff push/hopes are over by a mile no need to dress any defensman over the age of 25 at this point, trade zidlicky at first opportunity, send harrold back to albany for good

trade andy greene if need be ....it doesn't matter.... we are years away

 

[glenwo2]

Yeah, maybe we shouldn't have drafted Tedenby then. Oh wait, we drafted skill on that one. Oops.

So one incident where the Devils struck out when drafting for offense and that proves that they shouldn't stop drafting D-men. Is that what you're alluding to? Okay then.

Don't get me wrong. Conte is a mental midget but I can count on one hand the number of times in recent past that the Devils drafted *alleged* "skilled" forwards.

Tedenby just happened to be one that didn't pan out.


I think that the Devils will find a bonafide offensively-skilled player this coming draft even if Conte is doing the scouting. Especially where the Devils will pick(providing they don't go and draft another d-man).

 

[Sir Fenwick Corsi]

I just watched this **** show on dvr. Real waste of time avoiding the score all night. To be fair, the capitals are a much better team this season. They really don't give you much. That said, the devils are so deprived of talent that they just have little chance of winning games. It's really sad to watch.

 

[Wingman77]

Glad I turned it off after the second. I'm in the same place of apathy I was during the MacLean debacle. And I don't see it getting much better, even if we dump the coach.

This is worse than the MacLean debacle in the sense that then we knew we had much better talent on that roster than what was being displayed, which is the opposite of what we have now; we have no talent and it is being displayed as such

 

[devilsblood]

This is worse than the MacLean debacle in the sense that then we knew we had much better talent on that roster than what was being displayed, which is the opposite of what we have now; we have no talent and it is being displayed as such

The lack of young fwd talent waiting in the wings is even more bothersome. We can't even say, "bench the old guys and play the young guys", cause we have no young guys. We have to play the likes of Sislo, Sestito, Bernier, Zubrus et el.

 

[Wingman77]

The lack of young fwd talent waiting in the wings is even more bothersome. We can't even say, "bench the old guys and play the young guys", cause we have no young guys. We have to play the likes of Sislo, Sestito, Bernier, Zubrus et el.

This is true as well. At least at that point we had the hopes of guys like Tedenby, Josefson, Henrique that could hopefully step in for Langenbrunner, Arnott (who was one of our few bright points during that bad stretch), Rolston, etc whether it be that season or the next. Part of Tedenby and Josefson not working out has been part of our problem as well and depleted whatever fwd prospects we had further and unfortunately quicker

Bernier has played well this year, I'm not really concerned with him and he fits the role he is in well. One of our few bright points this year is our 4th line being better than many other teams which is nice to be able to have a few more good shifts a game when they are out against another team's bottom line(s)

 

[DevilsFanInFla]

This is worse than the MacLean debacle in the sense that then we knew we had much better talent on that roster than what was being displayed, which is the opposite of what we have now; we have no talent and it is being displayed as such

This 100X. I could deal with the MacLean pain because you really could pin it almost entirely on coaching. The team was pretty stacked with talent so the only reason they were sucking wind so badly was terrible coaching. As it stands now, we have a terrible team, period. When you can count on one hand the number of serviceable forwards not over 30 and have fingers left, you have a long term problem. Still, by all accounts this draft is supposed to be deep enough in talent that some 1st round level talent will be available in the second round. I say sell off vets and anyone that doesn't want to be here for picks/prospects and let's move forward. D and G and set, and will continue to grow, but when are two serviceable young forwards stop after Zajac and Henrique, we need to restock the cupboards and focus on the future. That includes not having PDB behind the bench.

 

[Camille the Eel]

if you don't think Elias and Zajac combined can be better than 21 points in 56 games and being -22 in that span I don't know what to tell you. If you don't think Ryder can produce more than 0 goals in 20 games, another thing I don't know what to tell you.


i hate the talent excuse, we all know the roster sucks but this is terrible. 8 wins in 30 games, is that all it's capable of? I don't want a coach that gets so little out of a team handling the young defenseman. And if the Devils are 8 wins in 30 games bad then Lou should be fired right on the spot. Lou should lose his job either way but that's not the point.

I don't care about winning, I want McDavid but forgive me for wanting guys like Larsson playing 20 minutes a game instead of guys like Harrold. It's super embarrassing the way this organization has went since the finals run and it will set them back years if they don't change soon but who knows when that will happen.

Yes I agree with you that Zajack is underachieving (not sure what Elias is capable of but he has clearly been injured and that is a factor) - but on the whole I would stick with my point that underachievement was not the problem last night - but that we were against a better stacked team and that especially when we got behind it was over. We have a chance if we score first; if we play them three times maybe we win once, which is our record this year.

That said, I don't understand anyone blaming Cory Schneider last night. None of those goals are his fault at all. (1) We give Niklas Backstrom too much room to skate and Cory is screened blind as Green makes a perfect shot - can you imagine what Daneyko or Stevens would have done to that guy screening the goal tender back in the day - man were we soft on that play letting him set up in front like that; (2) we give Niklas Backstrom again too much room to skate, he's 15 feet out with all day and rings the puck off the post; (3) a highlight goal from Ovechkin, one of the best in the game, and the guy skates right around Greene.

I don't also understand why we give up on Josefson. He has shown a lot of talent this year. We are not developing him, teaching him, giving him confidence, giving him structure. Let him shadow Backstrom for gosh sake at least he can skate with him and stay in position.

If this season is about rebuilding, no excuse at all for not playing and developing the guys who presumably can have a future, because they have the youth and skating ability if you can possibly teach them how to play. And it will be more entertaining watching them develop (or not) than watching paint slowly dry on the ice.

 

[Devils Dominion]

I just watched this **** show on dvr. Real waste of time avoiding the score all night. To be fair, the capitals are a much better team this season. They really don't give you much. That said, the devils are so deprived of talent that they just have little chance of winning games. It's really sad to watch.

They have a much better head coach this season compared to last.
Coaching can make an impact.