Speculation: New GM Candidates?

[toejam56]

Darrell Romuld (CTV): A reliable source said that Joe Nieuwendyk has said “no” to being the Flames next GM.

 

[Paxon]

Darrell Romuld (CTV): A reliable source said that Joe Nieuwendyk has said “no†to being the Flames next GM.

Boo... take the job, Joe

 

[Woodhouse]

Boo... take the job, Joe

Shawn Simpson ‏@TSNSimmer 16h
Joe Nieuwendyk is out!!! Look for Dave Poulin to be the next GM, of the Cgy Flames!!! @TSN1200

(Speculation from TSN)

 

[Djp]

According to this report from Calgary Sun, the Sabres are interested in Loiselle as well:

http://www.calgarysun.com/2013/12/14/flames-burke-vs-sabres-lafontaine-in-gm-search

Nothing really new here. He was expected to be someone they would consider.

My gut feeling---

LaFontaine meets with the PHX Asst GM when PHX plays in toronto on thursday.

The other window is Phoenix playing in Buffalo on Monday.

My feeling is they interview him on Wed or Thu If they hire him---it would be in a press conference on Sunday or Monday before the game against PHX.

 

[Beerz]

Nothing really new here. He was expected to be someone they would consider.

My gut feeling---

LaFontaine meets with the PHX Asst GM when PHX plays in toronto on thursday.

The other window is Phoenix playing in Buffalo on Monday.

My feeling is they interview him on Wed or Thu If they hire him---it would be in a press conference on Sunday or Monday before the game against PHX.

I haven't heard any reports that the Yotes have granted permission

 

[Jacob582]

I just dont see Devine as NHL GM material though. He seems like he's a great #2 guy,

I agree with the above.

I like Devine, but he is Darcy's guy. If the new GM develops a rapport with him and keeps him, fine. If he decides to hire someone else I am fine with that too.

 

[Heretic]

I agree with the above.

I like Devine, but he is Darcy's guy. If the new GM develops a rapport with him and keeps him, fine. If he decides to hire someone else I am fine with that too.

I think Devine is safe unless he wants to leave. Pegula and Ted Black have said multiple times that they view the management structure similar to a corporation and under that guise it would seem that Devine is the Director of Draft and Scouting. The GM is going to be the creative vision that directs the scouting folks, along with everything else, but Devine, imo is like has been said "a perfect #2 guy" and also pretty safe in his job unless he gets bored.

I wonder more and more what LaFontaine's real job is going to be when the GM is in place, but then I think about redundancy in corporate management structure and realize he's probably more of an administrator and the piece between pegula and the GM that says "hey this guy is an idiot, we need to fire him" that we didn't have previously. Hopefully Patty knows what he's doing or at least hires someone that does or I'd rather we just kept Regier for the rebuild.

 

[Beerz]

Roger Millions ‏@RogMillions 21h

@friedgeHNIC says Flames have permission to talk to Bruins Asst. GM Jim Benning about GM position. No Surprise here.

 

[couture23]

Ugh, hurry up and grab your guy Patty.

 

[Buffaloed]

Ugh, hurry up and grab your guy Patty.

I'm content to wait for Burke cull the herd. The candidates he rejects and candidates who reject him are more likely to have the traits the Sabres need in a GM. The Sabres don't need another puppet like Regier.

 

[Zman5778]

Roger Millions ‏@RogMillions 21h

@friedgeHNIC says Flames have permission to talk to Bruins Asst. GM Jim Benning about GM position. No Surprise here.

Burke can have him. Never really been on the Benning bandwagon.

 

[Sabretip]

Roger Millions ‏@RogMillions 21h

@friedgeHNIC says Flames have permission to talk to Bruins Asst. GM Jim Benning about GM position. No Surprise here.

Burke can have him. Never really been on the Benning bandwagon.

Eh, I'm also not that keen on Benning as an option - of the rumored names, Futa and Murray carry more appeal to me. I don't see Lombardi letting Burke even speak to Futa though.

 

[Splintered Sherwood]

Maybe this is tangential to the discussion, but is the Sabres bloated hockey executive structure an impediment to any GM coming in? I don't think any other team has as many people in hockey operations as the Sabres have, so I wonder how any GM would try and navigate that.

One aspect of having so many people have an ability to provide input is that it places a high value on the amount of input available. But what if a prospective GM is a quality first rather than quantity first kind of guy, does he take the job with the prospect of having to fire a bunch of people because he sees a bunch of redundancy in the organization? I realize GMs get to bring in some of their own people, but, that also has to cohere with how an organization structures its hockey operations.

 

[Beerz]

Maybe this is tangential to the discussion, but is the Sabres bloated hockey executive structure an impediment to any GM coming in? I don't think any other team has as many people in hockey operations as the Sabres have, so I wonder how any GM would try and navigate that.

One aspect of having so many people have an ability to provide input is that it places a high value on the amount of input available. But what if a prospective GM is a quality first rather than quantity first kind of guy, does he take the job with the prospect of having to fire a bunch of people because he sees a bunch of redundancy in the organization? I realize GMs get to bring in some of their own people, but, that also has to cohere with how an organization structures its hockey operations.

What bloated hockey executive structure do you speak of?

 

[Sabre the Win]

Maybe this is tangential to the discussion, but is the Sabres bloated hockey executive structure an impediment to any GM coming in? I don't think any other team has as many people in hockey operations as the Sabres have, so I wonder how any GM would try and navigate that.

One aspect of having so many people have an ability to provide input is that it places a high value on the amount of input available. But what if a prospective GM is a quality first rather than quantity first kind of guy, does he take the job with the prospect of having to fire a bunch of people because he sees a bunch of redundancy in the organization? I realize GMs get to bring in some of their own people, but, that also has to cohere with how an organization structures its hockey operations.

huh? They have a President of Hockey Operations and a Coach in place as of right now... What bloated organization do u talk about?

Even when they do get a GM it will be straight forward

Owner
President of Hockey Operations
GM
Assistant GM
Coach

Pretty standard if you ask me... If your wondering what Ted Black does, he has nothing to do with the Hockey side of things.

 

[vcv]

Maybe this is tangential to the discussion, but is the Sabres bloated hockey executive structure an impediment to any GM coming in? I don't think any other team has as many people in hockey operations as the Sabres have, so I wonder how any GM would try and navigate that.

One aspect of having so many people have an ability to provide input is that it places a high value on the amount of input available. But what if a prospective GM is a quality first rather than quantity first kind of guy, does he take the job with the prospect of having to fire a bunch of people because he sees a bunch of redundancy in the organization? I realize GMs get to bring in some of their own people, but, that also has to cohere with how an organization structures its hockey operations.

Are you talking about the number of scouts? Otherwise, I am very confused.

 

[Splintered Sherwood]

Are you talking about the number of scouts? Otherwise, I am very confused.

I was mostly thinking of the number of scouts, so maybe phrasing it as a bloated hockey operation was not the best turn of phrase.

 

[Jim Bob]

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=439258

Q: What is the latest on the vacant general manager positions in Buffalo and Calgary?

McKenzie: The Sabres' search continues and they're looking at some time in the New Year, probably in January or February, likely before the Olympics but no absolute guarantee. I thought the Calgary search might heat up really quickly and get done a lot sooner than Buffalo but now I'm starting to get the opposite feeling. While Brian Burke has received permission from the Dallas Stars to talk to Joe Nieuwendyk, he actually hasn't reached out to him yet. There's speculation that Nieuwendyk maybe isn't ready to jump back into the general manager's market at this time and Burke has not yet asked for permission to talk to anyone else. This might be one that carries on for months and maybe longer if they realize the person they want is not available until the end of the year.

 

[joshjull]

I was mostly thinking of the number of scouts, so maybe phrasing it as a bloated hockey operation was not the best turn of phrase.

Why would any GM candidate be upset over a large number of scouts?


The scouts bring their info to their respective departments (pro/ amateur). Then it's brought by the assistant GM or director of scouting who handles the pro or amateur side to the GM. It's not like they all get into a room with the GM and argue over who they like.

Combined that huge scouting staff with our video scouting prowess and our new gm would have one hell of a tool at his disposal.

 

[Beerz]

Why would any GM candidate be upset over a large number of scouts?


The scouts bring their info to their respective departments (pro/ amateur). Then it's brought by the assistant GM or director of scouting who handles the pro or amateur side to the GM. It's not like they all get into a room with the GM and argue over who they like.

Combined that huge scouting staff with our video scouting prowess and our new gm would have one hell of a tool at his disposal.

More Scouts the better in my eyes...

 

[26CornerBlitz]

WGR: 12/19 Pat LaFontaine - 11:31 Mins

The Sabres President of Hockey Operations checks in on his search for a GM

 

[BuzzKillington90]

Friedman said on hot stove there is a growing suspicion patty will do the job himself

 

[26CornerBlitz]

Friedman said on hot stove there is a growing suspicion patty will do the job himself

Hotstove Tonight: High number of injuries will lead to higher escrow (12/21/13)

 

[Sabre Dance]

Friedman said on hot stove there is a growing suspicion patty will do the job himself

I guess my gut feeling a couple weeks ago could be right.

 

[CaptPantalones]

I guess my gut feeling a couple weeks ago could be right.

was starting to think that way as well lately, the longer it was dragging on.

Now seeing that he has guys like Pendergast and Devine around him, he has some experienced help