Post-Game Talk: Need For Speed unlimited by both sides (Oilers 3-4 Habs)

bsl · Feb 3, 2019

The Great Schlemko said:
Take a look at recent 3rd overall picks. Draisaitl and Heiskanen are the only elite players(as of now) from recent years. Top 2 picks have a greater likelihood of becoming elite players. Heck make it a top 3 pick if you like, my argument still stands. The odds of getting an elite player with a top 3 pick by just missing the playoffs is lower than 0.9%.

It's fine if you are done with the conversation. I just wanted to point out that the odds of drafting an elite player by just missing the playoffs aren't that great.

Better than zero.

No More Subban · Feb 3, 2019

Wow JD doing McDavid things in OT

The Great Weal · Feb 3, 2019

bsl said:
Yes you are. Many elite players go top 3. It’s the norm. And how else do Habs get one? What’s your idea?

Actually draft well? Or you know, you can piss away a season and get a Puljujarvi. That worked out so well for the Oilers.

The Great Weal · Feb 3, 2019

bsl said:
Better than zero.

So you want to put all your eggs in one basket and risk a less than 0.9% chance of drafting an elite player instead of making the playoffs? Seems pretty damn stupid.

Treb · Feb 3, 2019

PaulD said:
Moes was a fourth line later in his career. Third liner for most of it

Armia at 25 has more than half the points Moen had in his career.

bsl · Feb 3, 2019

The Great Schlemko said:
So you want to put all your eggs in one basket and risk a less than 0.9% chance of drafting an elite player instead of making the playoffs? Seems pretty damn stupid.

The Habs only have one basket. Drafting as high as possible.

Grate n Colorful Oz · Feb 3, 2019

The Great Schlemko said:
Actually draft well? Or you know, you can piss away a season and get a Puljujarvi. That worked out so well for the Oilers.

It worked out well for us with Kotka........

....but yes, let's use one of the worst teams at drafting as the example of the norm

The Great Weal · Feb 3, 2019

bsl said:
The Habs only have one basket. Drafting as high as possible.

The discussion was JUST missing the playoffs or BARELY making the playoffs. You are far from guaranteed to win a lottery spot(back to back) by just missing the playoffs. You are also not guaranteed to draft an elite player if you actually win a lottery spot(back to back).

Grate n Colorful Oz · Feb 3, 2019

The Great Schlemko said:
So you want to put all your eggs in one basket and risk a less than 0.9% chance of drafting an elite player instead of making the playoffs? Seems pretty damn stupid.

This is so convulated and wrong. A strawman if I ever heard one, doubled with a logical fallacy.

What's damn stupid is you're arguing against this and saying it's stupid, yet doing the same thing we've done in the last 25 years seems like a great idea, and go for a pointless playoff run.

The Great Weal · Feb 3, 2019

Ozymandias said:
It worked out well for us with Kotka........

....but yes, let's use one of the worst teams at drafting as the example of the norm

Yes and it absolutely did not work out for us with Chucky. It did not work out for the Bolts with Drouin. It did not work out for the Yotes with Strome. It did not work out by drafting Gudbrandson and Bogosian.

The Great Weal · Feb 3, 2019

Ozymandias said:
This is so convulated and wrong. A strawman if I ever heard one, doubled with a logical fallacy.

What's damn stupid is you're arguing against this and saying it's stupid, yet doing the same thing we've done in the last 25 years seems like a great idea, and go for a pointless playoff run.

How is it wrong? It's a 0.9% chance to draft top 3 when you just miss the playoffs. It's even less when a top 3 pick doesn't guarantee anything. That's a fact.

Slipping down a few spots but having our young players actually play meaningful hockey is worth it. If one spot makes or breaks our chances of drafting an elite player(assuming no lottery win) then that's on Timmins. You trade up for your chance to get an elite player in that case. Like I said, Devils made the playoffs last year but still ended up with a prospect that should have gone top 10 in the draft. There are always fallers. Making your franchise dependant on top 3 picks is an awful way to run your team. Even worse than what we have been doing for the past 25 years.

Hostile Offer · Feb 3, 2019

Are there actually people suggesting ITT that we should just donate a playoff spot to someone? :laugh:

The difference between a 13th pick and an 18th pick isn't that big, jesus...

The Great Weal · Feb 3, 2019

Eagle Peninsula said:
Are there actually people suggesting ITT that we should just donate a playoff spot to someone?

The difference between a 13th pick and an 18th pick isn't that big, jesus...

But what about that 0.3% chance of landing an elite player! We should gamble on that instead of trying to win a meaningless Stanley Cup. Honestly, each cup winner has won cups because of their overall drafting. The best team in the league drafted their 2 best players in Kucherov and Point outside the 1st. They drafted their superstar goalie with a mid teen pick. Take away Stamkos and Hedman who were top picks and they are still a fantastic team.

Hostile Offer · Feb 3, 2019

The Great Schlemko said:
But what about that 0.3% chance of landing an elite player! We should gamble on that instead of trying to win a meaningless Stanley Cup. Honestly, each cup winner has won cups because of their overall drafting. The best team in the league drafted their 2 best players in Kucherov and Point outside the 1st. They drafted their superstar goalie with a mid teen pick. Take away Stamkos and Hedman who were top picks and they are still a fantastic team.

Even if we make it to the show and get a total beatdown by a team like Tampa it's still valuable playoff experience for kids like Domi and Kotka who need to lead the team once we're truly contending.

Adam Michaels · Feb 3, 2019

The Great Weal · Feb 3, 2019

Eagle Peninsula said:
Even if we make it to the show and get a total beatdown by a team like Tampa it's still valuable playoff experience for kids like Domi and Kotka who need to lead the team once we're truly contending.

Absolutely. They need to be leaders when Suzuki, Poehling, Brook, Romanov...etc make the show.

PaulD · Feb 3, 2019

Treb said:
Armia at 25 has more than half the points Moen had in his career.

OK . Armia is better than Travis Moen. Im convinced. I'll take Moens Cup and play off stats over Armias.

But both players

Runner77 · Feb 3, 2019

JianYang said:
Just glazed through their gdt. It was pretty obnoxious.... More than the hf standard.

Well that’s disappointing.

Andrei79 · Feb 3, 2019

Let's be real here, if the choice is picking 14th with a 0.9% chance at the top 3 and making the playoffs, I'm taking the playoffs. If the 14th spot is that important then the team can just ship its 2nd round pick for it come draft day. If we're missing the playoffs, I want us to do it like last year.

dackelljuneaubulis02 · Feb 4, 2019

Adam Michaels said:

wow. Look at that company. Dude still has plenty of gas left in the tank too. He's an utter beast.

edit: didn't notice that they were all in their first 14 seasons. Still that's incredible. Considering the high scoring eras that a good deal of the guys ahead of him played in.

Harry Kakalovich · Feb 4, 2019

Nice win today - was nice to see Drouin wire home the winner.

Frankenheimer · Feb 4, 2019

TheDogCerby said:
Montreal had a 1-0 and 2-1 lead in both games. They barely come out with a win here thanks to Leo and McD screwing up a 2 on 0.

You play 2 bottom tier teams and you have leads, but barely come out with 3 points ? That's incredibly bad.

This team isn't good. Most people get that, too.

Oilers to be relegated, means we're close to that, too.

Yup cause teams lower in the standing never beat teams higher up. Literally never happens. Not sure why we bother to even play the games.

dackelljuneaubulis02 · Feb 4, 2019

Andrei79 said:
Let's be real here, if the choice is picking 14th with a 0.9% chance at the top 3 and making the playoffs, I'm taking the playoffs. If the 14th spot is that important then the team can just ship its 2nd round pick for it come draft day. If we're missing the playoffs, I want us to do it like last year.

Kotka keeps getting better and better. Drouin could be a perennial playoff beast. You'd have to think Domi could thrive in the playoffs. We actually have talent up front for a change. doesn't quite measure up with the best of the best but Mete potentially solidifying that top pairing along with nice winger depth we could be a solid dark horse if Price can Price.

I've been dreading playing the Leafs for awhile now because I'd just want to puke if we lost to them but now I actually kind of want that match up. We could surprise. If someone could take out TB we could have a longer spring than any of us imagined 5 months ago.

MaxDummy · Feb 4, 2019

dackelljuneaubulis02 said:
Kotka keeps getting better and better. Drouin could be a perennial playoff beast. You'd have to think Domi could thrive in the playoffs. We actually have talent up front for a change. doesn't quite measure up with the best of the best but Mete potentially solidifying that top pairing along with nice winger depth we could be a solid dark horse if Price can Price.

I've been dreading playing the Leafs for awhile now because I'd just want to puke if we lost to them but now I actually kind of want that match up. We could surprise. If someone could take out TB we could have a longer spring than any of us imagined 5 months ago.

Yeah, could happen... like I could win the lotto.

JianYang · Feb 4, 2019

Adam Michaels said:

Super impressive. All the other names played all or most of their careers in a goal driven era, other than weber.

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