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- Jul 20, 2007
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I don't know Molson. If I did, I bet I could talk him into giving me a five year deal now - that starts after MB is gone.Apply for the job, man ! We will see what you CAN do.
I don't know Molson. If I did, I bet I could talk him into giving me a five year deal now - that starts after MB is gone.Apply for the job, man ! We will see what you CAN do.
Well, you're in the PGT of a preseason game saying ''if anyone still thinks Danault lacks IQ and is watching the games''...So ya, kinda referring to how he's currently performing (on top of other seasons).
I disagree.
Bergevin is a very low bar to set. Just because he had the role doesn't automatically make him better than some of the posters here.
Yes, there's more to the job and yes most here would fail at it. But I'd put my money that there are probably more than a few here who could pull it off and at a minimum wouldn't have ****ed up the core that MB inherited.
MB basically walked into a young core that needed very little to contend. It needed a good coach and a couple of players. Yes, we needed a center but we might've even had that too if we'd used our centers properly.
Instead it was a fiasco of epic proportions and we wasted a good young core only to have to restart things - AGAIN.
It's hard to envision how anyone could've done any worse than that to be honest. All he had to do was not **** things up.
Smart kid lolKK playing at 1%
Puck is along the board and 2 Sens are behind him, he's like... "no thx". Just lets it go .
Hmm..sure...same is true of almost every NHL player, heck, most don't even have college degrees. But once they retire, they get hired by teams and go through training to move up the executive ladder.Can you guys stop with this? No, no one on this board is cut out to be an NHL general manager. Most of us carry a lunch pail to work and our biggest financial transaction was taking on our personal mortgage.
Sounds like Geoff Molson actually...Most would be star stuck if we saw an NHL tweener in the flesh, or set foot in an NHL dressing room.
Neither did Bergevin or plenty of other ex-player turned GM.Very few of us have ever had to fire someone, let alone being responsible for the hiring of an entire department.
Hmm..so? Considering how terrible some of these guys handle media, hard to imagine anybody could do a lot worse. Actually, I think a lot would at least sound a lot better simply from being able to adequately speak in two languages or at the very least one.None of us have spoke in front of the media, all of us have said ridiculously wrong things online that if in the position would haunt us forever as having zero knowledge of the sport.
You don't know that, you don't even actually know who writes here or what their backgrounds are.I could go on and on.
Stop with the delusion. Some may have the potential and the ability to be a pro, but no, nobody on this board "could have done a better job" over the past few years than Bergevin.
I wouldn't be opposed to him and KK being out together, both are strong on both sides of the puck. I think CJ is probably unlikely to see it that way, but that is what I would like to see too.I would have put Poehling in and kept Suzuki as an injury callup just so he could get some AHL experience. But given how well he's played and Poehling's injury... I think you're right. He's shown he's ready. Give him a shot.
I wish CJ would put him with KK though. I'd love to see how that would work. I realize they're both young but again... that's what the preseason is for.
I like how you're trying to tell me what I meant rather than saying, "Sorry, I thought you meant this pre-season."
That's what I would do. Put Suzuki on KK's wing. Keep Armia on the other side as a big body.I wouldn't be opposed to him and KK being out together, both are strong on both sides of the puck. I think CJ is probably unlikely to see it that way, but that is what I would like to see too.
Why should I apologize?..Couldn't I just say the same thing to you? You should simply say ''oh my bad, I can see how that was confusing''....That would be stupid right? Same same.
I was just showing you the context with the use of grammar. It's all good man. No need for anybody to apologize and I already moved on from that in my post drawing a comparison to Plekanec to actually discuss Danault.
Totally agree on that front. There are personal skills required that some may not possess.I'm not say there aren't posters on HF that couldn't do the job, but I think there's much more to the job than what we talk about here and it's not as easy as many of us make it out to be.
Suddenly the lineup looks not too bad with Suzuki in the lineup and Weal looking like he found another gear.So... Lehkonen-Domi-Gallagher were very good together
Tatar-Danault-Suzuki were excellent aswell.
That leaves us with Drouin-KK-Weal and then Hudon-Cousins-Armia ? Byron takes hudon’s spot when he comes back.
Current line up expected :
Lehkonen-Domi-Gallagher
Tatar-Dumb player-Suzuki
Drouin-KK-Weal
Byron-Cousins-Armia
Hudon/Thompson
Mete-Weber
Chiarot-Petry
Kulak-Fleury
Folin
Fair enough.
I'm also not saying Danault is a superstar by any stretch, but he's vastly underrated offensively by many on this board. He's a good 2nd line centre in his prime, like Plekanec was.
The lineup always looks good against teams like the Sens.Suddenly the lineup looks not too bad with Suzuki in the lineup and Weal looking like he found another gear.
So... Lehkonen-Domi-Gallagher were very good together
Tatar-Danault-Suzuki were excellent aswell.
That leaves us with Drouin-KK-Weal and then Hudon-Cousins-Armia ? Byron takes hudon’s spot when he comes back.
Current line up expected :
Lehkonen-Domi-Gallagher
Tatar-Dumb player-Suzuki
Drouin-KK-Weal
Byron-Cousins-Armia
Hudon/Thompson
Mete-Weber
Chiarot-Petry
Kulak-Fleury
Folin
Preseason is a key word to understand and include in all the current talks.
To me, no veterans should ever be evaluated on preseason. Drouin looks like crap...Danault looks great..meh, means nothing. Most NHLers aren't pushing themselves, and half the others wont even be playing in the league.
It's good to see how kids perform, which ones are really pushing the envelop and forcing management to give them a shot at staying with the club longer because they might actually be NHL ready.
How a guy like Danault plays...pretty irrelevant to me.
....Danault looking great in the preseason means nothing because he’s been playing well for several years now!
God this is a frustrating subject.
I know if you're a frequent poster here you're likely not a general manager or CEO of anything significant.Hmm..sure...same is true of almost every NHL player, heck, most don't even have college degrees. But once they retire, they get hired by teams and go through training to move up the executive ladder.
Sounds like Geoff Molson actually...
I saw plenty of Habs on nights out, couldn't care less, never asked for a picture, never took a picture in hiding, didn't text friends to say ''OMG..guess who's next to me??''..So, I don't know man, speak for yourself there.
Neither did Bergevin or plenty of other ex-player turned GM.
Hmm..so? Considering how terrible some of these guys handle media, hard to imagine anybody could do a lot worse. Actually, I think a lot would at least sound a lot better simply from being able to adequately speak in two languages or at the very least one.
Who cares about what we've said online, that PR related, changes nothing on your ability to be the General Manager.
You don't know that, you don't even actually know who writes here or what their backgrounds are.
If people had the same leash, budget and freedom to build something, who knows.
I will agree that, well, it's impossible to know. Deciding whether or not to re-sign this guy or that guy, move him instead, etc, all easily written on a board with no consequences, sure, I get that.
But that doesn't mean some grown people here wouldn't have been able to do something better.
Considering Bergevin has been pretty lost on this job and just freestyle, the bar to beat ain't set very high.
There's zero doubt it would require preparation and NOBODY here could just walk into the job and do it day one.I know if you're a frequent poster here you're likely not a general manager or CEO of anything significant.
That said, I'm not denying that there are some very bright people here that would have the capacity to do the job with the proper training and onboarding etc.
I've been here long enough to also know that pretty much everyone of these bright posters have had a hot take or 2 which would have ravaged the team way worse than a bridge deal or keeping a coach around too long.
Many are way too stubborn and proud to do the job, this is easy to see with the daily online interactions they participate in.
Basically, the posters I think could be NHL general managers would have way too much self awareness and humility to ever suggest they could do the job.
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If you can't keep up don't jump into a conversation.
Danault looking great in the preseason means nothing because he’s been playing well for several years now!
God this is a frustrating subject.
Yeah but no. People are talking about who Danault is as a player in general, you're the one not catching on here.
That's a fair take, both on Plekanec and Danault. Phil is closer to Plekanec than Eller in that he has a clearly above average hockey IQ. He's similar to Eller in the way he can protect the puck with his body, whereas Plekanec had to use his speed and quick plays with supporting line mates in order to avoid the check. Danault doesn't have the shot of either of those guys, but he's a more intelligent puck distributor.I think Plekanec might be a step above, he's more of an Eller to me. Perhaps just a notch higher, slightly below Plek. I always felt Plekanec could have produced more if he had better support. He did that everytime he had some with Koivu or Gomez. He had a career year with 69pts being used in a more offensive role with Kovalev-AKost, but then followed it up with a bad season. The entire squad had issues though that year.
Gomez came in to help instead of Koivu, Plekanec enjoyed again some defensive relief shared duties with SG, which lead to another career year. After that, Gomez went off the map, and for the rest of his time here, Plekanec was given the heavy defensive responsibilities as we had to shelter the top 2 center, namely DD.
I think Plekanec could have been a steady 60+ guy if he had a healthy Koivu-Gomez type of center to support him.
I don't see Danault having that much ability up front...could be wrong.
I know if you're a frequent poster here you're likely not a general manager or CEO of anything significant.
That said, I'm not denying that there are some very bright people here that would have the capacity to do the job with the proper training and onboarding etc.
I've been here long enough to also know that pretty much everyone of these bright posters have had a hot take or 2 which would have ravaged the team way worse than a bridge deal or keeping a coach around too long.
Many are way too stubborn and proud to do the job, this is easy to see with the daily online interactions they participate in.
Basically, the posters I think could be NHL general managers would have way too much self awareness and humility to ever suggest they could do the job.