Pre-Game Talk: MTL vs. Det, Subban playing with Murray...
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Lafleurs Guy
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Actually, Murray was pretty useless on the PK. There was at least one goal that I remember with him standing around doing nothing.
And how about the two PP goals that the Pens scored?
Crosby and Malkin play on the Pittsburgh PP, was Murray on the PK during the Pens PP goals? That, I do not remember.
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What happens during a PK does not count towards your +/-
Well to expand
+ : shorthanded goal, even strength goal
-: other team scores 5v5, other team scores while shorthanded
Neither: penalty shot goal, powerplay goal
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Markov and Subban had a rough game versus the Pens sure but WHY oh why is Therrien forgetting their sheer dominance together for the first part of the season? Our crappy play started when we broke them up.
I think Markov/Subban had a rough time for these reasons:
A) weak reason, but might take a while to get reacquainted with each other's habits
B) Pens were the home team, they got the matchups they wanted off the faceoff. We probably had to throw the PK/Markov pairing on the ice to start, just in case. They could throw their 3rd/4th lines out there to tire them and once that's done, change to Crosby or Malkin lines.
C) Last time: Pleky vs Crosby, Eller or White vs Malkin. This time, with Eller on Crosby's wing and White injured, I'd say our two best defensive centers were on one line (with Eller not being a good defensive winger) and our third wasn't playing.
D) Line management. Its up to the coach to put a safe line out there so we don't get caught with a bad matchup. And if they do throw out their 4th line vs pleky, win faceoff/retrieve puck, dump it, line change.
E) "Best defence is a good offence". MT said it on 24CH. We should be dumping the puck only when we want to change. Otherwise, we're just giving it away and not establishing any attack. We're tiring out our players having to play D all the time and chase the puck.
A) weak reason, but might take a while to get reacquainted with each other's habits
B) Pens were the home team, they got the matchups they wanted off the faceoff. We probably had to throw the PK/Markov pairing on the ice to start, just in case. They could throw their 3rd/4th lines out there to tire them and once that's done, change to Crosby or Malkin lines.
C) Last time: Pleky vs Crosby, Eller or White vs Malkin. This time, with Eller on Crosby's wing and White injured, I'd say our two best defensive centers were on one line (with Eller not being a good defensive winger) and our third wasn't playing.
D) Line management. Its up to the coach to put a safe line out there so we don't get caught with a bad matchup. And if they do throw out their 4th line vs pleky, win faceoff/retrieve puck, dump it, line change.
E) "Best defence is a good offence". MT said it on 24CH. We should be dumping the puck only when we want to change. Otherwise, we're just giving it away and not establishing any attack. We're tiring out our players having to play D all the time and chase the puck.
You are right. I brain farted and edited my post but you quoted me before it was gone.
LG is correct as well.
We are doomed.
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I don't get excited about games lately, because I know they're going to look like $*%& out there and piss me off :/
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Diaz and Beaulieu are not the same type of defenseman. Beaulieu is an offensive defenseman who can (hopefully) QB a powerplay. Diaz is more of a hybrid. He's solid offensively, but his defensive game is just as good.
If by compare styles with styles you're on some sort of "SIZE" freak-out, then yes, they are not physical defenseman.
You really have no reading skills at all. I love Eller (I wanted him on the team before you probably even knew who he was), I love Patches, and I'm a big fan of Subban.
Emelin, I want in the line-up as well (paired with Diaz). (Markov, Subban, Emelin, Diaz, Beaulieu, Gorges should be our Top-6).
Trying cheering for a team instead of a couple players. Nice job.
PS. I know you'll fire back with "OMG DESHARNAIS" .. but I stick up for guys who bring something positive to the team yet get hated on ridiculously. There are players who bring nothing (aka Murray and Bouillon) who are basically disliked throughout the whole fanbase.
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Taking my son to his first live Habs game tonight!
Hopefully they can pull out the win tonight.
GO HABS GO
Hopefully they can pull out the win tonight.
GO HABS GO
MT job will be safe for now. Habs playing a struggling Wings tonight and most probably an Ovechkin less and plummeting Caps team tomorrow.
Habs will probably get back to back wins and it will mask the issues that have been plaguing the team all season.
Habs will probably get back to back wins and it will mask the issues that have been plaguing the team all season.
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This happens all the time with our Habs and that's why we see so little changes. Even 2 weeks ago when we weren't playing great and the Hawks came to town, made us forget everything because of that win and people were brainwashed again that this team could compete
WeThreeKings
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The thing is.. that means Murray is going to get TOI very similar to Subban. Take away PP time but add PK time and they will both be up around the same totals. The more Murray is on the ice, the worse our CORSI is and the more chance we get scored on.
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NobleSix
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I hope not...
I know that sounds bad coming from a fan of the team, but honestly, those two wins this weekend would just mask the stupidity that has surrounded this team (ie. Therrien). I'd rather take some losses in the present and get a huge problem fixed in order to have more success in the future.
This team will not have success with the muppet behind the bench.
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Or maybe it means Subban is going to get TOI similar to Murray... which means 14 mins a night. Demoted to a lower pairing? Absolutely absurd I know, but it is Therrien we're talking about, so it becomes at least a small possibility.
WeThreeKings
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Either way it is a disaster for the Habs. RIP Price's save percentage and G.A.A.
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