DAChampion
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Confirmed with Link: [MTL] Karl Alzner (5 years, $4.625M AAV)
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Don't expect any common sense from a guy who threw a tantrum last year hoping Pierre-Luc Dubois would bust when there were rumours of us trading PK Subban to Vancouver to draft him.
WeThreeKings
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I know he's not, but he's atrocious and his contract is bad. You know me well enough that I like hyperbole.
CauZuki
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Come on man there is no denying that we would be a better team today with Radulov.
Why can't we agree that Bergevin didn't improve the team as much as he could have? He absolutely had the inside track to sign Radu and chose to gamble on him.
We went from having a strength on wing to being average.
He may not have been able to address our center depth due to lack of real options but there would have been nothing wrong with having the following wingers :
Drouin
Radulov
Pacioretty
Gallagher
Lekhonen
Byron
I would at this point say that mission accomplished he made the team as good as possible for 2017-2018.
However now there are so many question marks and "if" scenarios that I don't have much faith in our ability to compete.
ECWHSWI
TOUGHEN UP.
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CauZuki
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I am trying to be realistic here if he wasn't able to address those in 5 offseasons, expecting him to do so in one summer seems far fetched.
Adding an elite winger and decent depth at D is absolutely better than doing nothing at all (which many GMs are guilty of).
I am in no way a Bergevin supporter but adding Drouin and finally committing to winning now made me content. However when he let Radu slip in between his fingers I knew we were in trouble.
We wouldn't be better by any meaningful way...his addition doesn't make us contenders.
No, we're still a team that's going to get bounced in the 1st round vs a team that's deeper down the middle than we are.
He didn't choose to gamble on Radulov, he offered him the same contract he ended up signing in Dallas. It's more Radulov wanted more money to stay, his loyalty to the Habs, wasn't as important as his loyalty to money, which is fine, it's his right.
I'd go after the money too..
As far as our strength on the wing, its as strong, perhaps even stronger IMO. But we're still incredibly weak down the middle.
You raise those wingers...i'll raise you the following centers
Danault
Plekanec
Mitchell
McCarron
As long as this group continues to be this poor, it doesn't matter who we have on the wing, Radulov or no Radulov.
We have enough quality wingers even without Radulov, what we don't have is any top 6C's. The focus needs to be on that.
It won't take you long to realize Radulov was a luxury and we won't be in trouble without him.
Most overrated Hab since...a long *** time.
ECWHSWI
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that's the standard now ? better than nothing at all ?
btw, Habs did not ADD an elite winger, they REPLACED their 1st line RW with another
Habs Halifax
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100% agree on the bolted part. You are even admitting that Shaw is not as bad as you say he is. Lets see how year 2 goes. Personally, I think he is a bit overpaid and if we acquire another piece that takes salary (top 2 center), his contract may have to be moved. Hard to say how much better Danault, Lehkonen, Byron, McCarron, DLR get and how much we have to pay them in the next few years. Good problem to have if we have to pay them because of performance.
Habs Halifax
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Habs Halifax
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Team game. We will survive and maybe even go past the 1st round this year. Lots can happen from now till April of 2018
Beaulieu couldn't even keep Davidson from taking his job last spring
Alzner is a better player than Emelin
Radulov over Hemsky... absolutely
Bonino over Plekanec is a wash for me...one 3rd line center for another.
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CauZuki
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I was talking about a scenario where we kept Radulov, context is important.
Did I say anything about it being the standard? There is no denying he started the summer well by acquiring a talented roster player for a prospect. However the remaining moves leave little to be desired and adds new question marks to this team.
Why can't I say we are a better team with last years roster + Drouin. It's absolutely true and doesn't negate the fact that we have issues at C. However my opinion is that I rather we have elite wing depth than have average wing depth and mediocre centers.
If you look at my post history you will see I am not a Bergevin apologist but you can't look at moves in a vacuum. His actions need to be judged as a whole and so far I think we are headed for an early playoff exit.
I hope I am wrong as this perpetual state stuck in the tier between playoff bubble team and contender is infuriating.
CauZuki
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The Alzner part is arguable, I once again hope I am wrong but Caps fans seem to think he is done (couple bad injuries and trending downward).
This is someone who only enjoyed Emelin when he was destroying players and hated the remainder of the time.
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Kinda like how Emelin recovered from his injuries, right?
Le Barron de HF
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I'm less worried about those injuries than a knee and orbital bone one. Alzner's abilities shouldn't take a hit with his hand injuries compared to a guy like Gallagher.
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Ohashi_Jouzu*
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Ending up with a plate in your head is ever so slightly different from the mending of a tendon/muscle or a bone in your hand...
Emelin's value has been all over the place this year
He was one of the worst Habs D if you read most posts here...
Then people couldn't believe Vegas took him off our hands for free.
The second the Habs signed Alzner though...
Emelin's value skyrocketed again..
Some weird **** going on around here.
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The plate guy was going to be gone at the end of the upcoming season, could have even been a TDL deal. But no, give 5 years to a defensive defenseman, only because the Habs failed to develop someone with his skill set, which is totally attainable in 5 years -- an Alzner is someone you can draft and develop working out of the end of a first round or even from a second rounder.
Alzner is a knee-jerk reaction borne out of mismanaging the team's LHD assets in anticipation of the expansion draft.
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