Divine said:what's your point?
So are we removing all of Dvorak's PP goals or just the ice time but the stats still count? If we look at even-strength goals, then Dvorak's career high in goals is 13 goals by the way, the same as Danault. Scored in Dvorak's rookie/2nd season.
In fact, in 19-20 season, they scored the same number of ES goals. So to act like Dvorak is some sort of prominent goal scorer versus Danault, it's not true. He needs the PP to score goals, which Danault was not given. Dvorak also plays more, even without PP time.
That's my point.
rt said:I’m guessing Montreal’s pick will be 13th-19th overall. The type of prospects usually in that range are like Schneider, Harley, Mercer, Krebs, Reichel, Newhook, Guhle, Caufield, Amirov, York, Holloway, Knight, Jarvis, and Boldy. I’d have been thrilled to trade Dvorak for 4/5 of those guys. Even without a 2nd rounder. Even if we had to eat a camp dump to get them.
Ha - I've seen comments here that Dvorak will register 70 pts with the Habs. That is a pretty hefty overevaluation. Habs fans may have to realize that they just spent a first and second on essentially a slightly better Chris Tierney...What boggles my mind is that the same fans that are saying that Dvorak is a steal at this price and that he is a second line center where the same group who denigrated the payment for JG Pageau by the Islanders. Pageau is superior to Dvorak in every way possible and I would never consider him a second line center.
well that will give you something to root for all season. good luck with that .It's supposed to be a strong draft, too. The Habs really need to make the playoffs or finish in the bottom 10. If they just fall short it's going to hurt.
well that will give you something to root for all season. good luck with that .
I agree, Dvorak brings something to the table on the ice and just as important brings a contract that fits within the structure. We have very little margin going forward so this is about as good as it could get in regards of the whole KK OS thing.I am not a fan of Bergevin, the development of KK has been poorly handled but I don't think he could have done much better. I assume Hertl was too expensive and by selecting Dvorak, Bergevin gets soemthing very important : a 2C with cost certainty, meaning he can build safely around Suzuki and Caufield.
While I still believe Bergevin's strategy (based on Price being elite) is not the best way to build an NHL team, his strategy is coherent right now. Everybody was complaining about Habs PP : he brings Hoffman and Dvorak. Sure the Habs lost big on D with Danault but I am not that sure that Savard is a big downgrade compared to an injured Weber.
Most NHL players are usually streaky, your point is?Dvorak first 2 months of the season:
21 GP: 16 points
Rest of the season:
35 GP: 15 points.
I agree, Dvorak brings something to the table on the ice and just as important brings a contract that fits within the structure. We have very little margin going forward so this is about as good as it could get in regards of the whole KK OS thing.
I think we need to find a 3C still, I’m worried about our depth and Evans is one concussion away from a long stint on IR.
The Habs should tell him every 2 months that it's a new seasonDvorak first 2 months of the season:
21 GP: 16 points
Rest of the season:
35 GP: 15 points.
It's supposed to be a strong draft, too. The Habs really need to make the playoffs or finish in the bottom 10. If they just fall short it's going to hurt.
Dvorak first 2 months of the season:
21 GP: 16 points
Rest of the season:
35 GP: 15 points.
So he was productive when the Coyotes was still battling for a playoff spot and then he struggled when the team gave up.Dvorak first 2 months of the season:
21 GP: 16 points
Rest of the season:
35 GP: 15 points.
It's supposed to be a strong draft, too. The Habs really need to make the playoffs or finish in the bottom 10. If they just fall short it's going to hurt.
as usual Habs have bad seasons/good picks in shitty drafts and good seasons/bad picks in good drafts
but like, it's not like a 11-30 pick is a guaranteed success, or could take a while to reach that ceiling.
Idk the exact % of draftees in that range who go on to have a significant NHL career, or even who ends up better than a Dvorak (say 3rd line and up), but say we're generous and it's 60%. Then wait 2-3 years for them to play a ull NHL season, 4-5 to actually be better than Dvorak now. Well, the team has a new coach, probably 90% of the team is different, GM is most likely different etc. So, Dvorak is likely the better option here for a good 5 years period.
Although I would have loved to see what Poehling could do at 2C, an injury at C would have put a definite X on the season. I know some will say "tank for Wright", but most gm's in their right mind won't consciously go for being worst in the league for a 15% chance at the picks...
LOL. True. On a good team, Dvorak is a 3C. On the Habs, with so little Centre depth, he's a 2C.
He won't get anywhere near 70 points. Try 35-40. It's a helluva lot closer to what the reality will be.
Even on a good team Dvorak could be a 2C.LOL. True. On a good team, Dvorak is a 3C. On the Habs, with so little Centre depth, he's a 2C.
He won't get anywhere near 70 points. Try 35-40. It's a helluva lot closer to what the reality will be.