Speculation: Most disappointing 2020 draft result?

[BondraTime]

And he was a great goalie. HOF I believe.




Funny, I've been watching hockey for decades & I have never heard that. I've ALWAYS heard that you a build a team from the goalie out.

Which cup winners of the past 10 years built from the net out? I'd say none.

 

[GCK]

I wonder how many good goalies have beaten Ottawa in the playoffs over the yrs? Wouldn't it be nice for once to have the best goalie in the playoffs, just once instead of these also rans constantly yr after yr? PD needs to make a deal to acquire the best goalie prospect in the last decade, if not longer.

We had the best player and best goalie in the 2017 playoffs and still lost to Pitt.

 

[aragorn]

HOF goaltender. I'd argue the best of all time. Couldn't win until he went to a good team.

But he still won & I would argue that maybe they wouldn't have won without him.

Which cup winners of the past 10 years built from the net out? I'd say none.

Why only the last 10 yrs?

We had the best player and best goalie in the 2017 playoffs and still lost to Pitt.

We've never had the best player or the best goalie.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

Losing yr after yr after yr after yr with shitty goaltending is the definition of insanity.

Ok don’t answer the question then.

Also Philly has a really good goalie now.
Where did they grab him?

 

[aragorn]

Ok don’t answer the question then.

Also Philly has a really good goalie now.
Where did they grab him?

How is that relevant? Have they won a cup with him yet? He is good though.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

He won with a group lead by, Yzerman, Shanahan, Federov, Lidstrom, Chelios, Hull, it was a GREAT team.

Binnington, Holtby, Murray x2, Quick x2, Crawford, Thomas, Niemi. How many of those are elite goaltenders?

2 were elite and both were late round picks

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

How is that relevant? Have they won a cup with him yet? He is good though.

Your argument just makes no sense. How many cups has price won?

 

[BondraTime]

But he still won & I would argue that maybe they wouldn't have won without him.


Why only the last 10 yrs?



We've never had the best player or the best goalie.

Ok, go back to 2000. The Devils maybe? Had 2 HOF D and a system leading them as well.

 

[aragorn]

Your argument just makes no sense. How many cups has price won?

Canada would not have won the Gold Medal without him. Not his fault that Montreal loves those small soft players.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

Canada would not have won the Gold Medal without him. Not his fault that Montreal loves those small soft players.

So you admit the team in front of him isn’t very good

that is the exact point that everyone is telling you , that and it’s easy to trade or draft a goalie in later rounds

 

[aragorn]

Ok, go back to 2000. The Devils maybe? Had 2 HOF D and a system leading them as well.

The teams that won a number of cups had elite goaltending NJ with Brodeur, Montreal with Dryden, Colorado with Roy and so on. Yes they had great teams & they had a great goaltender. It makes a difference, especially on teams that may have issues in other areas.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Late-bloomer. Whoever took him would be so happy with his progress to date. Same argument as Rossi. If they had this year they had but were drafted last year would you be content with them as a first round pick? I think with Rossi if you took him top 5 last year and he had a year like this year you'd be salivating at the future. With Quinn he's produced like as if he was a top 10- top15 pick last year which is very good. The draft date matters a lot but you gotta contextualize it with the D+1. Out of any D+1 are there many that have done what Rossi has?

Except Rossi actually had a 1st round-worthy season last year. Quinn not so much.

 

[aragorn]

So you admit the team in front of him isn’t very good

that is the exact point that everyone is telling you , that and it’s easy to trade or draft a goalie in later rounds

Sorry what? I admit that most of the SC teams have good players & IMO most teams that win the SC have had great to elite goaltending. Where I disagree is that it's easy to trade for an elite goalie, numerous teams over the yrs have never found one, Leafs are still looking for one. It's easy to draft a goalie in the later rds, but how the hell would you know if he is going to be elite or not? What does that even mean?

 

[Micklebot]

But he still won & I would argue that maybe they wouldn't have won without him.

That's the team that won with Osgood...

Why only the last 10 yrs?

Because that's what's most relevant to today? Add another 6 years and you get an at best mixed bag of Niemi, Fleury, Osgood playing in front of Hasek..., Giguerre, Ward, Khabibulin. Not exactly what I'd call a who's who of goaltendind.

We've never had the best player or the best goalie.

Sure, I guess. Hard to argue with Crosby, and Murray played great, but he isn't a guy that was gotten via a high draft pick.

 

[GCK]

But he still won & I would argue that maybe they wouldn't have won without him.


Why only the last 10 yrs?



We've never had the best player or the best goalie.

Karlsson was the best skater in the 2017 playoffs and Anderson outplayed Rask Lundqvist Fleury and Murray.

 

[aragorn]

2 were elite and both were late round picks

So what?

 

[Alf Silfversson]

He won with a group lead by, Yzerman, Shanahan, Federov, Lidstrom, Chelios, Hull, it was a GREAT team.

Binnington, Holtby, Murray x2, Quick x2, Crawford, Thomas, Niemi. How many of those are elite goaltenders?

Detroit also won the Cup with Chris Osgood. Nothing says elite like Chris Osgood does it?

 

[Micklebot]

Karlsson was the best skater in the 2017 playoffs and Anderson outplayed Rask Lundqvist Fleury and Murray.

Anderson definitely outplayed Fleury, but you can't hold it against Murray that we didn't challenge him.

 

[aragorn]

Karlsson was the best skater in the 2017 playoffs and Anderson outplayed Rask Lundqvist Fleury and Murray.

Crosby was the best player, he won the Conn Smyth & Anderson has never won a cup, Fleury has.

 

[GCK]

Sorry what? I admit that most of the SC teams have good players & IMO most teams that win the SC have had great to elite goaltending. Where I disagree is that it's easy to trade for an elite goalie, numerous teams over the yrs have never found one, Leafs are still looking for one. It's easy to draft a goalie in the later rds, but how the hell would you know if he is going to be elite or not? What does that even mean?

You seem to be confusing elite goalies with “hot” goalies. Most cups are won by goalies who get hot at the right time while the elite goalies like Lundqvist and Price watch from their couch.

 

[GCK]

Crosby was the best player, he won the Conn Smyth & Anderson has never won a cup.

Karlsson was by far the best skater in those playoffs, if you can’t admit that then I can’t help you.

 

[aragorn]

Karlsson was by far the best skater in those playoffs, if you can’t admit that then I can’t help you.

Then why did they give the Conn Smyth to Crosby? If you can't admit that why would I need your help?

 

[Micklebot]

Then why did they give the Conn Smyth to Crosby? If you can't admit that why would I need your help?

Because traditionally only players in the finals get votes, some notable exceptions being Karlsson in 2017 and Forsberg in I think it was 2002.

 

[aragorn]

That's the team that won with Osgood...



Because that's what's most relevant to today? Add another 6 years and you get an at best mixed bag of Niemi, Fleury, Osgood playing in front of Hasek..., Giguerre, Ward, Khabibulin. Not exactly what I'd call a who's who of goaltendind.


Sure, I guess. Hard to argue with Crosby, and Murray played great, but he isn't a guy that was gotten via a high draft pick.

Teams sometimes win with guys who were not drafted very high, so what? Are you saying that's all this team needs is just any old goalie to come in here & win a cup? This team has been in the NHL for over 25 yrs now, how has that worked out for them so far? How's that worked out for the Leafs or Philly & a number of other teams that can't seem to find a great goaltender. You guys sound like it's an irrelevant position, that it doesn't matter who plays in net, it's the elite defenceman & forwards that win games, not goaltending. You can win with anyone in nets even a Zaboni driver, remember him?

 

[GCK]

Then why did they give the Conn Smyth to Crosby? If you can't admit that why would I need your help?

Really SMH.