You seem to be confusing elite goalies with “hot” goalies. Most cups are won by goalies who get hot at the right time while the elite goalies like Lundqvist and Price watch from their couch.
Who can predict when & which goalie is going to get hot though? Having an elite goalie gives you a better shot every yr, it's up to the GM to put good players in front of him.
There's a list as long as my arm of teams that won it all without elite goaltending. Not sure what you're looking for here. Elite goaltending is of course great to have, but it is in no way a requirement for winning. It's also the most volatile position to draft, the chances of getting elite goaltending out of a 1st round pick is far less than getting an elite skater out of that same pick. We drafted Chouinard 15th OA,
Drafting Askarov at 5th is doubly problematic because he's not actually ranked that high, so we'd be reaching to fill a perceived need when we actually have needs everywhere and players available ranked where we are drafting that also fill needs and are more likely to realize their potential.
Drafting Askarov is a high risk move that while it had great upside, we'd be passing up on much lower risk options that also have great upside.
That's the consensus opinion here but I don't see it as problematic to draft a goalie at 5th OA especially when the players from 4th to 12th are considered all part of the same tier. It's people here who want to break it down further & many including myself have argued for this guy or that guy. I will admit this team has sucked at drafting good goalies over the yrs. Maybe they get lucky with one in their system now but who knows?
Askarov is a risk, but so are all of those guys ranked in that tier for one reason or another. It's because the majority here want those finesse kinds of players & I don't, I want a solid player who can be counted on to make this team a contender. It's why I would take Askarov, Sanderson or Lundell over those other guys. I've been waiting for this team to win a cup for 25 yrs, Tampa came in at the same time & could win again. We keep struggling with shitty goaltending yr after yr.
Not because of goaltending, at least not in any years Karlsson was with the team. Nobody is suggesting we should be fine with sub par goaltending, just that 5th OA is the wrong asset to use to get a quality goalie.
And then someone suggested at some point trading a 1st to bring in a quality goalie later on. It's not the wrong asset if that goalie wins a cup. Coming out of this draft with Byfield & Askarov would be a coup IMO but the majority want those little finesse players just like they wanted Filatov (3rd OA) so badly & were so happy they signed DaCosta & some wanted Corey Locke & the list goes on & on. And of course I wanted bigger players who never worked out either. It's all a risk or a gamble.
People liked Lalime & look what happened to him in the playoffs. People like Anderson (seems like a great guy) but we never won with him either during the EK yrs. Did we waste EK because of crappy goaltending or the other way around? Again I doubt they take Askarov at 5th OA, but I would like to see them make a deal to acquire him.
I'm not as cynical as some of the others and think that drafting in the right situation in the 1st is okay and Askarov in the teens is solid. At #5 I want a player that I can guarantee is going to be better than any of the prospects we have currently within the next 2-3 years.
I'm not convinced that Askarov is so certain that we can say for sure he is going to be better than Hogberg, Daccord, Sogaard, Gustavsson five years from now. You do - that's fine. I personally think that there have been a lot of really highly touted goalies that have taken a long time to become quality NHL starters on a consistent basis and if I have a pick at #5 then I want someone who is contributing on a shorter time frame with a higher guarantee. At 25 years old I bet he is a high quality starter in the NHL but that is in 7 years. Price was farther along technically than Askarov is right now but Askarov is more athletic. I'm calling my shot that Askarov has a harder transition to the NHL than Price did because Askarov has so much excess movement and relies so much on athleticism.
As an aside, Hogberg's stats in the SHL (albeit at an older age) were absolutely unreal and yet the transition has still taken awhile. Though I believe in him probably more than most on here.
Good points, Hasek was an athletic goalie too with an unusual playing style, but still got the job done, won a cup & is in the HOF. It could take a while nobody knows with younger players how long it will take to transition to the NHL, I certainly don't expect it to happen over night. And who knows what kind of team PD puts together, another unknown.
Just because players don't make the NHL sooner than people think they should is not always because of the player, sometimes it's because of who is playing in front of them & who the GM or coach want to see first. For a lot of guys they need a break, an injury or someone who believes in them. Hogberg was a complete unknown with very little fan fare or late bloomer. I've always liked him though, I hope he does well.