Speculation: Montreal is now clearly a seller

[didimentionlarseller]

Why? In the last 3 years he won most of his deals by far

You guys keep forcing yourself to not see the bigger picture when calling Bergevin now a great trading GM. I see his trades in a larger roster building exercise context not just on a very limited transaction evaluation. Thru all these winning trades what is the end roster product - it’s bad.

I don’t know if you remember but before this latest he’s a great trader fad the word was he was a great scout (just before signing Alzner lols)

How do we win that Sergachev trade - Bergevin trades LHD for wingers...to play centre...before then grudgingly playing them on the wing again. This is the kind of winning trade and embarrassing hockey assumptions that should get Bergevin fired.

Seriously you give him major credit for getting a ok return for Pacioretty really?

 

[didimentionlarseller]

But at least he speaks French.

He does? I mean it’s a good attempt

He has brought shame to St Henri

 

[sharks9]

You guys keep forcing yourself to not see the bigger picture when calling Bergevin now a great trading GM. I see his trades in a larger roster building exercise not just on a very limited transaction - thru all these winning trades what is the end roster product - it’s bad.

I don’t know if you remember but before this latest he’s a great trader fad the word was he was a great scout (just before signing Alzner lols)

How do we win that Sergachev trade?

Seriously you give him major credit for getting a ok return for Pacioretty really?

That's the only trade you keep bringing up because he won all his other major trades.

How is the return for Pacioretty just "okay"? Tatar is a 1st-line forward, Suzuki will get over 40, possibly even 50 points as a rookie and finish top-5 in Calder voting, and the 2nd round pick turned into Norlinder (made Sweden's team at the WJC) and Leguerrier (Probably won't be much, but you never know)

All of that is just "okay"?

 

[didimentionlarseller]

That's the only trade you keep bringing up because he won all his other major trades.

How is the return for Pacioretty just "okay"? Tatar is a 1st-line forward, Suzuki will get over 40, possibly even 50 points as a rookie and finish top-5 in Calder voting, and the 2nd round pick turned into Norlinder (made Sweden's team at the WJC) and Leguerrier (Probably won't be much, but you never know)

All of that is just "okay"?

I’ll go a step further from just ok and rank it ....meh

Guy sells a 30+ scorer and gets an ok return big deal doesn’t make him a great trading GM

He won all his other major trades well let’s just agree to disagree on that without boring the other non Habs fans

 

[sharks9]

I’ll go a step further from just ok and rank it ....meh

Guy sells a 30+ scorer and gets an ok return big deal doesn’t make him a great trading GM

He won all his other major trades well let’s just agree to disagree on that without boring the other non Habs fans

Lol come on, I don't even understand what you'd consider a "good" trade let alone a great one if the Pacioretty return was just meh.

He's easily one of the best trading GMs in the league, saying otherwise is just plain blind bias.

 

[Baksfamous112]

So you think Petry not only brings back Foote - who we previously refused to trade for either Karlsson or McDonagh - but potentially two 1sts in top of that?

That’s not a dream - that’s a delusional hallucination.

To be fair you guys just gave an equally good prospect and a better first round pick for a career third line winger

 

[didimentionlarseller]

Lol come on, I don't even understand what you'd consider a "good" trade let alone a great one if the Pacioretty return was just meh.

He's easily one of the best trading GMs in the league, saying otherwise is just plain blind bias.

It's nice that people can disagree - i don’t find Bergevin tops in any GM rankings for anything. You would think a guy on such a trade winning streak would have a more coherent roster as a result.

The greatness has moved from him being a great scout to now being a great trader I’ve noticed.

 

[BLONG7]

It's nice that people can disagree - i don’t find Bergevin tops in any GM rankings for anything. You would think a guy on such a trade winning streak would have a more coherent roster as a result.

The greatness has moved from him being a great scout to now being a great trader I’ve noticed.

The man has made 79 trades..............if he was so good at them, the Habs would have 2 Cups by now, instead they regress and can't make the playoffs.

There have been a couple of good trades, made by the clown, but they have had ZERO results, so I just don't get it folks. It seems to me that MB would be perfect as a pro-scout, and that's it...the GM aspect of building a winning team is WAY over his head. The proof is in the RESULTS, where there have been NONE.

 

[waitin425]

My latest and greatest proposals.....

Mtl-Col

Price + 3rd rd pick for Grubauer + Byram + Newhook + 1st 2020

Mtl-Vegas

Petry (30 percent retained) for Nicolas Hague + 1st 2020

Mtl-Edm

Tatar for Pulju + Samurokov + 1st 2021

Mtl - NYI

Kovalchuk for 2nd 2021


This is the sell off the Habs need to do!

Add Byram, Hague and Samurokov to our defensive prospects.

Add Newhook and Pulju to forward prospects.

Have 3 first round picks this year and 2 next year

 

[didimentionlarseller]

The man has made 79 trades..............if he was so good at them, the Habs would have 2 Cups by now, instead they regress and can't make the playoffs.

There have been a couple of good trades, made by the clown, but they have had ZERO results, so I just don't get it folks. It seems to me that MB would be perfect as a pro-scout, and that's it...the GM aspect of building a winning team is WAY over his head. The proof is in the RESULTS, where there have been NONE.

He’s like what maybe 10/79 and these guys want to give him a lifetime achievement award for being horrible

 

[Papa Francouz]

Mtl-Col

Tatar (30 percent retained) for Bowen Byram

That's the easiest pass in the history of passes. Counter offer: Danault for COL 2020 1st + Zadorov.

 

[Mandala]

Scandella got a good return.

Like I said a good market to be sellers.

 

[Captain Mountain]

That's the easiest pass in the history of passes. Counter offer: Danault for COL 2020 1st + Zadorov.

That's a pass for Montreal.

 

[ole ole]

I’ll go a step further from just ok and rank it ....meh

Guy sells a 30+ scorer and gets an ok return big deal doesn’t make him a great trading GM

He won all his other major trades well let’s just agree to disagree on that without boring the other non Habs fans

Just An ok return.
Tatar Suzuki and a 2nd= meh.

 

[didimentionlarseller]

Just An ok return.
Tatar Suzuki and a 2nd= meh.

Give him the lifetime achievement award for not selling Pacioretty for a bag of beans I guess?

 

[Mandala]

Give him the lifetime achievement award for not selling Pacioretty for a bag of beans I guess?

Hmmm.... hmmm.... what can I say.... hmmm....

 

[didimentionlarseller]

Hmmm.... hmmm.... what can I say.... hmmm....

That you’ll split the cost of a sign that says BEST TRADING GM EVER from Staples with me? we could mail it to Bergie

 

[Walt22]

My latest and greatest proposals.....

Mtl-Col

Price + 3rd rd pick for Grubauer + Byram + Newhook + 1st 2020

Mtl-Vegas

Petry (30 percent retained) for Nicolas Hague + 1st 2020

Mtl-Edm

Tatar for Pulju + Samurokov + 1st 2021

Mtl - NYI

Kovalchuk for 2nd 2021


This is the sell off the Habs need to do!

Add Byram, Hague and Samurokov to our defensive prospects.

Add Newhook and Pulju to forward prospects.

Have 3 first round picks this year and 2 next year

You just wanted a lot of time typing this proposal out. Zero are close to happening.

 

[didimentionlarseller]

Poor bergevin he wins spectacular trade after trade and somehow the team he ends up icing is a failure.

 

[Toronto makebeleifs]

Not here to bash, just outside observation (mtl fans are way more critical than me of their own team). The habs seem to lack a cohesion and team identity when they play. On paper it's not a bad team, not a contender but playoff worthy at least. A goalie that hasn't quite played like he's capable of, young players without the proper veteran support scoring (and leadership in the forward corps), decent to good depth on d but it's of th 5-6-7 variety, but most of all they seem like a different team on a night to night basis. Almost like they try to play both a shutdown and counterattack style while in the same game try and play a heavy cycle. The problem is in mtls coaching imho. If bergevin put someone like gallant at the helm this team would have the capable peices to be a strong team.

 

[Goal Caufield50]

Not here to bash, just outside observation (mtl fans are way more critical than me of their own team). The habs seem to lack a cohesion and team identity when they play. On paper it's not a bad team, not a contender but playoff worthy at least. A goalie that hasn't quite played like he's capable of, young players without the proper veteran support scoring (and leadership in the forward corps), decent to good depth on d but it's of th 5-6-7 variety, but most of all they seem like a different team on a night to night basis. Almost like they try to play both a shutdown and counterattack style while in the same game try and play a heavy cycle. The problem is in mtls coaching imho. If bergevin put someone like gallant at the helm this team would have the capable peices to be a strong team.

Compete lack of first line forwards

 

[nshlphoenix]

My latest and greatest proposals.....

Mtl-Col

Price + 3rd rd pick for Grubauer + Byram + Newhook + 1st 2020

Mtl-Vegas

Petry (30 percent retained) for Nicolas Hague + 1st 2020

Mtl-Edm

Tatar for Pulju + Samurokov + 1st 2021

Mtl - NYI

Kovalchuk for 2nd 2021


This is the sell off the Habs need to do!

Add Byram, Hague and Samurokov to our defensive prospects.

Add Newhook and Pulju to forward prospects.

Have 3 first round picks this year and 2 next year

Colorado doesn’t want Price... just stop. You’re stuck with that contract.

 

[Scintillating10]

The man has made 79 trades..............if he was so good at them, the Habs would have 2 Cups by now, instead they regress and can't make the playoffs.

There have been a couple of good trades, made by the clown, but they have had ZERO results, so I just don't get it folks. It seems to me that MB would be perfect as a pro-scout, and that's it...the GM aspect of building a winning team is WAY over his head. The proof is in the RESULTS, where there have been NONE.

He is good trader but terrible drafter. Killing the team not getting nothing out of first round. That and Montreal poor choice for top free agents. He empty on 2 avenues to acquire talent. Good at trading is not enough to keep team afloat.

 

[Scintillating10]

Anything around Tatar for Harley?

Tatar becomes Dallas' leading scorer, and has great 2 way metrics. Signed for another year after this one.

Harley fits a positional need in the Habs prospect pool.

I know Dallas doesn't have a lot of picks other than their 1st this year, so I'd assume they want to keep it.

Montreal should fetch big return on Tatar. They also in position to retain 50% on him.

 

[Andrei79]

So you think Petry not only brings back Foote - who we previously refused to trade for either Karlsson or McDonagh - but potentially two 1sts in top of that?

That’s not a dream - that’s a delusional hallucination.

Weren't you embarassed enough this week ? You're back at it again ?