HF Habs: Montreal Canadiens Hockey Ops - Part 2

salbutera

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My Point was more that if I were in his shoes I’d feel disrespected. It’s different if he was content, and happy In the situation. but imagine they’re preventing you from exploring an opportunity but at the same time they don’t hire you in the end. It’s a bit of a slap in the face and unfortunately for Anaheim because he doesn’t live there with his family he has less ties too the area then most. Ultimately his tie to Anaheim is culture and trust, and if he believes that trust is broken and the culture isn’t enough he may look elsewhere.
What we don’t know is if it was Madden Jr himself who told the org he was not interested in potentially being interviewed by Habs or any org for that matter - preferred his job & lifestyle. He seems like a bon vivant not interested in unnecessary attention / burden a GM gig would entail.

Jim Nill took that route for years in Det, was happy as a pig in s*it as Hollands AGM - despite many teams approaching Wings to talk to Nill, the answer was always “permission denied”
 

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What we don’t know is if it was Madden Jr himself who told the org he was not interested in potentially being interviewed by Habs or any org for that matter - preferred his job & lifestyle. He seems like a bon vivant not interested in unnecessary attention / burden a GM gig would entail.

Jim Nill took that route for years in Det, was happy as a pig in s*it as Hollands AGM - despite many teams approaching Wings to talk to Nill, the answer was always “permission denied”
In the same time, if Madden really didn't want an interview, he would probably have refuse it like Brodeur.
 
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Boy.............could we use Madder Jr to help run the amateur side of things......habs could easily pay him more than the Ducks, and after the sting of not getting the GM job, you gotta think he is not a happy camper...

It’s difficult to say as we know nothing of the guy. We’re ascribing emotions to the guy that he may not be experiencing. He might just be content doing the same old job.

It probably hinges on the type of relationship he has with Verbeek and how much his job description might change, if at all. Again more factors we’re not privy to.

Fun to speculate, though.
 

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You would trade the 2023 1st round pick, which could easily be a top 5 pick in a draft with 2 generational talents, for a defenceman who turns 30 this summer and is looking for a massive new deal? How on earth does that help us my god man this is bananas.


Which friggin' 2023 1st round pick that would easily be destined to be a top-5 pick?

Some people are absolutely bonkers thinking that Gorton-Hughes are on their fantasy mission to tank all the way through 2023 as well!?

Right now, its a perfect storm for Gorton and Hughes. They just stepped in (Hughes, especially) and can claim they need to évaluâtes A-Z of this organization before making any concrete moves.

Basically, they can let this season self-destruct all the way to Hiroshima levels and still blame the prior management team for the disaster that 2021-2022 will have been, all the while profitant from the sweet top-4 or top-5 (at worst) pick they will be gifted from the team's implosion.

Next year is far from this year.

In a market like Montreal, eyes will be rivetted on what Gorton and Hughes do, starting with the trade deadline.

I'm not sold on any moves NEEDING to be made. All are just suggestions that might have some value of their own, without being the ideal move, necessarily.

However, I highly doubt that Gorton0Hughes saddle themselves with a tanking roster next season as some of that tank will start being splashed on them, now that bergevin is a full season out of the picture.

Evaluations of Hughes' performance will be at the foreront of mainstream media's concerns, not to mention those id-yots just waiting to say that Gorton and Hughes were a mistake over a Savard-Roy tandem, or some other incarnation of their ideal franco-duo.

The only possibility of the team being made to tank inconspicuously is if Gorton-Hughes trade Petry and Kulak without actual replacements being factored in and Edmundson, somehow, can't return to the lineup, or doesn't do so as a healthy D.

Not being able to overhaul the D overnight and deciding (with a public rationale exposed) that quality young Ds that will be graduating steadily is the way to go, is the way to ensure that a team won't be all that competitive.

Just look at next year's D-Corps if this were to happen and youngsters aren't rushed to the NHL to plug obvious holes.

XXX - XXX
Romanov - XXX
Harris - Savard

Wideman, Clague, Niku, ???

Not very promising immediately, anyhow, despite, Guhle, Mailloux, Xekaj, Struble and Norlinder in th wings still needing to mature before getting tossed into the lion's Den at the NHL level.

Harris is the prospect deemed closest to playing in the NHL and I suspect that signing here will require an NHL guarantee for next season. Playing alongside a cet like Savard on a 3rd pairing should be appropriate for his development, but doing so without any depth ahead of that 3rd pairing may not be a Wise move either?

Best case scenario is a légitime 1st pairing RHD and the return of Edmundson as a stay-at-home D for that pairing. It would handle a lot of the difficult minutes and lessen the growing pains of playing a young, NHL-ready RHD that was acquired in a trade with Romanov on a 2nd pairing, in order to allow for a 3rd pairing of Harris - Savard.

We're talking, here, not determining what will or must happen, just discussion repercussions of certain moves.

I doubt that Gorton-Hughes allows the D to suck as badly as...

XXX - XXX
Romanov - XXX
Harris - Savard

...next season.

Something needs to happen as a transition D while Harris (next season), Guhle (the one after), Mailloux (the one after that), along with, maybe, Xhekaj, gradually integate the Habs' lineup.

Obviously, a 1st pairing D (which Petry might have been a lite version of had his game not imploded this season and his wife not packed thing up to take the kids back to Michigan) to stabilize the D-Corps alongside Edmundson for another three years would have been\would be ideal.

Gorton-Hughes could then look to acquire a promising RHD (top-4 upside) that is NHL-ready or very near NHL-ready to ease in at the NHL level next season, with Savard still signed for another three seasons beyond this one, same as Petry, or what a Petry equivalent would need to be.

The point would be to groom that RHD into a top-4 RHD, if not a first pairing RHD over the next three seasons, as Mailloux keeps getting groomed for the other top-4 RHD slot, with two more years in Juniors and a year in Laval.

In year 4, Mailloux is playing in the NHL, the other young RHD has three years experience at the NHL level and Romanov can play third pairing RHD with a rookie by has side at LD.

Next year (year 1), Harris will be starting out at the NHL level with Edmundson in the first of his two remaining years on his current contract.

Meanwhile, Guhle will play the year in Laval.

In 2023-2024, (year 2), Guhle will finish his apprenticeship in the AHL as Edmundson ends his contract (to be flipped at the trade deadline, allowing Guhle to step up to the NHL at season's end.

By 2024-2025, Mailloux will have started playing in Laval. Harris will be in his 3rd year at the NHL level and Guhle will be playing his 1st full season there.

Whomever Montreal acquired as a top-4 RHD this year will be in his 3rd season at the NHL level.

If the young Ds progress in an ideal fashion, we would be all set in 2025-2026.

The top-4 RHD could step in for Petry (or the Petry equivalent) upon his retirement. Mailloux would slot in on the 2nd pair.

Romanov could play on the first LD pairing, with Harris on the 2nd pairing and Guhle stepping in on the 3rd pairing.

Montreal could get a veteran RHD as a complément to Guhle on the 3rd pairing.
 

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Molson, Gorton and Hughes have an open window to declare that they will go on a relatively fast rebuild. Season end press conference would be the ideal setting to share their evaluation of the actual state of the organization and to lay their plan to bring the team to the status of a perenial contender. It would be easy to say that it will not happen in a few months. Molson should be there to say that the organization does not plan on repeating the same mistakes that he was a big part of in the last 13 years. There should be an honest acknowledgment that the team at this point cannot continue with the idea of making the playoffs every year. Molson should clearly say that it will take a couple of years of relative pain before better days can come. He just need to be honest for once and ask the fans to back him up on that path. If he comes out as honest and repentant, most fans will follow.
 

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Molson, Gorton and Hughes have an open window to declare that they will go on a relatively fast rebuild. Season end press conference would be the ideal setting to share their evaluation of the actual state of the organization and to lay their plan to bring the team to the status of a perenial contender. It would be easy to say that it will not happen in a few months. Molson should be there to say that the organization does not plan on repeating the same mistakes that he was a big part of in the last 13 years. There should be an honest acknowledgment that the team at this point cannot continue with the idea of making the playoffs every year. Molson should clearly say that it will take a couple of years of relative pain before better days can come. He just need to be honest for once and ask the fans to back him up on that path. If he comes out as honest and repentant, most fans will follow.

Id go even farther and do it after the deadline like two or three weeks, set the goal and give people a reason to talk habs before end of year
 
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Molson, Gorton and Hughes have an open window to declare that they will go on a relatively fast rebuild. Season end press conference would be the ideal setting to share their evaluation of the actual state of the organization and to lay their plan to bring the team to the status of a perenial contender. It would be easy to say that it will not happen in a few months. Molson should be there to say that the organization does not plan on repeating the same mistakes that he was a big part of in the last 13 years. There should be an honest acknowledgment that the team at this point cannot continue with the idea of making the playoffs every year. Molson should clearly say that it will take a couple of years of relative pain before better days can come. He just need to be honest for once and ask the fans to back him up on that path. If he comes out as honest and repentant, most fans will follow.
I think you are giving Mol$on too much credit in your post.
That's the most polite thing I can say right now.....................his behavior the last 5-6 seasons has been beyond awful.
We can hope he has turned a corner, with his new hirings, but the problem is, he hired them, and now they are working out of a hole that was being dug, for the last 5-6 seasons....that;s a huge, huge hole.
It's all on Mol$on, he did not make the previous gong show host accountable, until year 10.
 

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I think you are giving Mol$on too much credit in your post.
That's the most polite thing I can say right now.....................his behavior the last 5-6 seasons has been beyond awful.
We can hope he has turned a corner, with his new hirings, but the problem is, he hired them, and now they are working out of a hole that was being dug, for the last 5-6 seasons....that;s a huge, huge hole.
It's all on Mol$on, he did not make the previous gong show host accountable, until year 10.

Brutal. :shakehead
 
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Really? In every thread, there is this ever returning blah blah blah about how bad Bergevin was.

He's gone and, yes, we know the contracts kind of handcuff the new guys...

...But not really, if you look to rebuild by four years from now.

The only potentially nasty contract for that time span is Gallagher's contract.

There's a good pick coming up and, if we really wanted to unload Gallagher's contract, we could eat 1.5M, maybe a little more.

With the kids that will be stocking the team over the next three years (definitely on D), whatever we eat from Gallagher's contract won't be a burden in the least.

Even Price's contract won't be a problem if we keep him.

People should look forward and talk hockey possibilities instead of reiterating the same crap from the last five years. It's honestly like they have thing else to say...
 
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Really? In every thread, there is this ever returning blah blah blah about how bad Bergevin was.

He's gone and, yes, we know the contracts kind of handcuff the new guys...

...But not really, if you look to rebuild by four years from now.

The only potentially nasty contract for that time span is Gallagher's contract.

There's a good pick coming up and, if we really wanted to unload Gallagher's contract, we could eat 1.5M, maybe a little more.

With the kids that will be stocking the team over the next three years (definitely on D), whatever we eat from Gallagher's contract won't be a burden in the least.

Even Price's contract won't be a problem if we keep him.

People should look forward and talk hockey possibilities instead of reiterating the same crap from the last five years. It's honestly like they have thing else to say...

I’d venture that it’s a form of catharsis. We’re coming out of almost 10 years from a dark tunnel. I’ll never forget the elation and the explosions of joy from the thread that announced Bergevin’s and Timmins’ firings.

Eventually, it will subside as the new guys create new reasons to get us dreaming. I don’t remember the Habs having any braintrust in the last 30 years with the kind of potential Hughes and Gorton bring to the table. I am so grateful for thé positivity it bodes moving forward, if we’re just a little patient.
 

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Fletcher : Hey Danny, what do you think about this guy? Should we pick him in the second round?

Briere : Well after seeing h---

 
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