HF Habs: Montreal Canadiens Hockey Ops - Part 2

[BLONG7]

I don't see any huge difference in philosophy between Hughes and MB. The main difference is that Hughes is more willing to pay term for older players when it makes sense and more willing to move up in the draft. I don't take the 'drafting is like throwing darts' in the same context that Basu said it. Hughes said it is indeed like that in the later rounds but not early on in a draft. History has shown that even the 1st round has many misjudgment of player evaluation for all teams...i see that comment more for his scouts to say he believes in them and if they really want a guy he will do what it takes to get him.
Hughes himself said he is more into bargain shopping after the first few days of free agency.
I am however pleased that he wants to invest more in scouting and player development.

I hear from many media sites that the best time to reshape your team is at the draft...well ok but there has been very little player movement from any NHL team at the last few drafts. More buyouts than anything.

Bergevin said one thing and did something else.....the guy never followed through on anything, except lowering expectations and moving goalposts.................these guys over the next 2-3 seasons will actually build a hockey team, if they actually follow through on what they say, so let's give them a couple of seasons to show us..........
We gave the clown GM almost 10 years, so we should be able to suffer another 2-3..........surely.

I see huge differences already, in the two new guys, compared to MB.
Only time will tell if they turn into Rinse and Repeat Purple Pants kind of guys.

 

[Vachon23]

Was just coming to post this.

Next step: Madden chooses to leave Anaheim and Habs bring him in as AGM and running amateur scouting.

Create him a job like VP of Scouting if it's what it takes I don't care. Verbeek have a lot of potential Director of Scouting that he could want to bring from Detroit/Tampa

 

[Sterling Archer]

Was just coming to post this.

Next step: Madden chooses to leave Anaheim and Habs bring him in as AGM and running amateur scouting.

Holy shit. Someone beat you to it!? That’s crazy. Adam, you’re slipping bro.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Bergevin said one thing and did something else.....the guy never followed through on anything, except lowering expectations and moving goalposts.................these guys over the next 2-3 seasons will actually build a hockey team, if they actually follow through on what they say, so let's give them a couple of seasons to show us..........
We gave the clown GM almost 10 years, so we should be able to suffer another 2-3..........surely.

I see huge differences already, in the two new guys, compared to MB.
Only time will tell if they turn into Rinse and Repeat Purple Pants kind of guys.

A million times this. We’re building through the draft, but never got additional 1st round picks. We’re going to be a fast skilled team, goes out and gets bottom line slugs. We’re going to give kids a chance to play, only plays vets. We’re going to let ice time be based on merit, only play vets no matter how bad they play or good youngsters play.

Literally never knew what was going on. Said they had a plan but never did.

 

[salbutera]

I’m feeling more optimistic of Habs poaching Madden Jr than ever before - was 5% now 35% hopeful

 

[salbutera]

A million times this. We’re building through the draft, but never got additional 1st round picks. We’re going to be a fast skilled team, goes out and gets bottom line slugs. We’re going to give kids a chance to play, only plays vets. We’re going to let ice time be based on merit, only play vets no matter how bad they play or good youngsters play.

Literally never knew what was going on. Said they had a plan but never did.

In fairness, Gallagher, Lekhonen got their TOI from the get go, be it regular season or playoffs… they also possess similar characteristic traits…

 

[Kriss E]

In fairness, Gallagher, Lekhonen got their TOI from the get go, be it regular season or playoffs… they also possess similar characteristic traits…

If that's all you got after a decade...God that's pathetic. Those are exceptions.

 

[Kriss E]

I would really like to see them execute their first trade already.

It's only been 2 weeks.

 

[salbutera]

If that's all you got after a decade...God that's pathetic. Those are exceptions.

In fairness none of the other kids have exactly torn it up in other parts…. which is another issue altogether about poor identification of amateur talent

BTW - they weren’t exceptions, they personified the traits valued by management, be it right, wrong or indifferent - character & work ethic, which Galchenyuk, Beaulieu etc just didn’t possess

 

[Kriss E]

In fairness none of the other kids have exactly torn it up in other parts…. which is another issue altogether about poor identification of amateur talent

BTW - they weren’t exceptions, they personified the traits valued by management, be it right, wrong or indifferent - character & work ethic, which Galchenyuk, Beaulieu etc just didn’t possess

You can't say that when they brought in guys with well established character issues like Kassian, Semin, Drouin...
This team had no outline. It's random targeting.

Btw, Galchenyuk also got his TOI and he did well, they just didn't know how to get him to the next level and they penalized him for it.

 

[Runner77]

I’m feeling more optimistic of Habs poaching Madden Jr than ever before - was 5% now 35% hopeful

Depends how scorched he might be. Hard to tell, the guy was described in here like a bit of a recluse who only wanted to be involved in scouting so not being chosen as GM may not be a dealbreaker for him in terms of staying on.

 

[salbutera]

Depends how scorched he might be. Hard to tell, the guy was described in here like a bit of a recluse who only wanted to be involved in scouting so not being chosen as GM may not be a dealbreaker for him in terms of staying on.

Is it wrong of me, if I’m hoping Madden Jr tells Verbeek heading to PC tomorrow to go f*ck himself?

 

[Runner77]

Is it wrong of me, if I’m hoping Madden Jr tells Verbeek heading to PC tomorrow to go f*ck himself?

It’s so wrong that it feels so right!

 

[Adam Michaels]

So now the attention turns to Madden Jr.

 

[Archijerej]

I don't see any huge difference in philosophy between Hughes and MB. The main difference is that Hughes is more willing to pay term for older players when it makes sense and more willing to move up in the draft. I don't take the 'drafting is like throwing darts' in the same context that Basu said it. Hughes said it is indeed like that in the later rounds but not early on in a draft. History has shown that even the 1st round has many misjudgment of player evaluation for all teams...i see that comment more for his scouts to say he believes in them and if they really want a guy he will do what it takes to get him.
Hughes himself said he is more into bargain shopping after the first few days of free agency.
I am however pleased that he wants to invest more in scouting and player development.

I hear from many media sites that the best time to reshape your team is at the draft...well ok but there has been very little player movement from any NHL team at the last few drafts. More buyouts than anything.

The positive difference might be that, while there seem to be similarities between MB and Hughes, the latter starts with a clean slate and a team in the gutter, so he will not be forcing things the way Berg did during his retool. Also, the change of philosophy when it comes to drafting and development is certainly a departure from what we're seen under the previous regime. Let's hope the words are put into action.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Is it wrong of me, if I’m hoping Madden Jr tells Verbeek heading to PC tomorrow to go f*ck himself?

Madden Jr. to Verbeek tomorrow.

 

[salbutera]

Madden Jr. to Verbeek tomorrow.

Followed by:

“I quit!!”

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

So now the attention turns to Madden Jr.

I don't see Anaheim giving us permission to talk to Madden Jr. for the same job position he currently has with them.

 

[Hins77]

I don't see Anaheim giving us permission to talk to Madden Jr. for the same job position he currently has with them.

I don’t really know how it’s work but if his conrract is to the end, can he wait and try another opportunity elsewhere? Make a jude brackett from himself?

 

[Crusher117]

Why does everyone think Madden Jr. Is gonna quit? I don't see him going anywhere. He's still being groomed to be GM.

 

[Adam Michaels]

I don't see Anaheim giving us permission to talk to Madden Jr. for the same job position he currently has with them.

It's not about requesting permission. I think it's more like Madden will prefer leaving the Ducks to pursue other opportunities since they won't promote him internally.

It's just more wishful thinking on our part. For all we know, he wants to stay there and is happy with his role.

 

[vokiel]

I don’t really know how it’s work but if his conrract is to the end, can he wait and try another opportunity elsewhere? Make a jude brackett from himself?

If he has a closed contract and it ends, he can do whatever after.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Why does everyone think Madden Jr. Is gonna quit? I don't see him going anywhere. He's still being groomed to be GM.

Groomed to be a GM where? Not in Anaheim.

 

[Hins77]

Groomed to be a GM where? Not in Anaheim.

I consider Pierre Dorion as a really good Scout. But imo, he is clearly not the best Manager. I prefer a guy like Kent Hugues to manage our roster than Madden. Obviously, Anaheim saw thE same thing. Hugues negotiate during his whole agent careeer, madden was looking for junior talent, not the same thing at all.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

If I'm Gordon/Hughes , I'm waving as much money and official titles/roles as he could possibly want at Madden, that's for sure. Him running our amateur scouting department would be a dream come true . Pay him as much as a GM, I don't care, just make it happen.