Confirmed with Link: Monahan + 2025 conditional 1st round pick to MTL for future considerations

[Scriptor]

Well given she is married now...your chance are likely pretty low. :p

Not just here, I see a lot of people saying they hope he has a good year and then he can be traded at the deadline. Personally given he turns only 28 as the season starts, if he has a great season I would be totally for signing him to a reasonable contract longer term.

We're taking a lot of things for granted. If Monahan has a great season, as you say, would he settle on a reasonable contract extension at a decent price, being, as you say, only 28?

 

[ReHabs]

We're taking a lot of things for granted. If Monahan has a great season, as you say, would he settle on a reasonable contract extension at a decent price, being, as you say, only 28?

Wear & Tear isn’t an abstract concept. It refers to real life human beings suffering injuries, surgeries, rehab, and so on which leads to changes to their body mechanics.

Monahan is young metabolically but as worn down as a player can get and keep playing in the NHL (just barely).

He’ll have to stretch longer and limber up before every practice and game because of his hips, he’ll have to diligently exercise his wrists, etc…. I’m not too sure he has much tread left on his tires because even if he somehow recovers his mechanical ability to perform, he will still be more brittle and vulnerable to injury due to all the previous injuries. Gaborik managed to dig himself out of a dark hole of injury madness but for instance Martin Havlat could not.

 

[26Mats]

We're taking a lot of things for granted. If Monahan has a great season, as you say, would he settle on a reasonable contract extension at a decent price, being, as you say, only 28?

I think we need to move on from Monahan, even if he has a good season. I mean the best I could see him doing is 20 goals 50 points. Sure that's usedul, but he won't be good when we're ready to win and there's too much injury risk.

Maybe we move him to a contender who want to win now while he's still good. I mean, if he's a good leader in the room, that could be useful for the young guys. But I favor getting good assets for vets and bottoming out for now, not only with guys like Chiarot and Toffoli, but also even Edmundson.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

I think we need to move on from Monahan, even if he has a good season. I mean the best I could see him doing is 20 goals 50 points. Sure that's usedul, but he won't be good when we're ready to win and there's too much injury risk.

Maybe we move him to a contender who want to win now while he's still good. I mean, if he's a good leader in the room, that could be useful for the young guys. But I favor getting good assets for vets and bottoming out for now, not only with guys like Chiarot and Toffoli, but also even Edmundson.

Agreed. Regretfully, most of our remaining vets will cost us ‘good assets’ in order for us to get rid off as a combined result of their declining production and improvident contracts.

 

[1909]

Who cares? We still have ample cap room and this isn't a competitive team.

There isn't a scenario Habs are currently in where signing Stastny for a one year contract is a better option than Monahan for a year and a 1st. Not to mention that if Monahan has a semi decent year, he'll be worth more at the trade deadline. Even if he's not traded but shows he can be a good 3rd line center, he can still be resigned and have years left to offer.

It's a complete no brainer.

Not really. And Dach and Primeau has still to be signed. And .... There is tons of IFS about Monahan.

 

[CHfan1]

Not really. And Dach and Primeau has still to be signed. And .... There is tons of IFS about Monahan.

If Price is on LTIR for the season they still have $4.3 million or so to sign Dach and Primeau. That should be more than enough. With Monahan, if he doesn’t work out he’s an UFA after this season and they can move on. They were able to use cap space to get an extra 1st round pick which is a great deal.

 

[1909]

If Price is on LTIR for the season they still have $4.3 million or so to sign Dach and Primeau. That should be more than enough. With Monahan, if he doesn’t work out he’s an UFA after this season and they can move on. They were able to use cap space to get an extra 1st round pick which is a great deal.

4,3 is darn tight. Dach gonna have 2,5 to 3 and Primeau nearly 1. And Habs have only 6 d-men only calculated in the cap . need a 7th one.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

If Price is on LTIR for the season they still have $4.3 million or so to sign Dach and Primeau. That should be more than enough. With Monahan, if he doesn’t work out he’s an UFA after this season and they can move on. They were able to use cap space to get an extra 1st round pick which is a great deal.

I really like this deal. It's a win win win for everyone involved

 

[Naslundforever]

Depending on what happens with his health and performances, and with many vets moving on from the habs this year and the next, he might well stick around. Habs need at least a few guys who can grow a beard over the next couple of years. Lots of high-ceiling players trying to turn it around on the team, it will be fun to re-assess as the season goes on.

 

[Rob Sense]

4,3 is darn tight. Dach gonna have 2,5 to 3 and Primeau nearly 1. And Habs have only 6 d-men only calculated in the cap . need a 7th one.

Dach is not getting 2.5...probably closer to 2 or less.

 

[CHfan1]

4,3 is darn tight. Dach gonna have 2,5 to 3 and Primeau nearly 1. And Habs have only 6 d-men only calculated in the cap . need a 7th one.

Primeau can start in Laval. The Habs can bring up Bowey or Schueneman as their 7th defenceman (both have a cap hit of $750,000). They have cap space. The Habs are not going anywhere this season, it should be more about growing their core. Taking on Monahan for one year and getting a 1st in return is worth it.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Not really. And Dach and Primeau has still to be signed. And .... There is tons of IFS about Monahan.

Still totally worth it to add another 1st.

 

[Tanknation]

4,3 is darn tight. Dach gonna have 2,5 to 3 and Primeau nearly 1. And Habs have only 6 d-men only calculated in the cap . need a 7th one.

Dach at 2.5-3? Yikes. More like 1.5- 2 max. Even 2 is to much.

 

[bcv]

Very expensive contract. A guy lié Statsny was signed for 1,5 and he is way healthier
than Monahan.

Did Stasny bring a 1st rounder with him?

Stop worrying about next year's money. First, it's not yours. Second, the habs are not competing whatsoever.

 

[Sterling Archer]

4,3 is darn tight. Dach gonna have 2,5 to 3 and Primeau nearly 1. And Habs have only 6 d-men only calculated in the cap . need a 7th one.

Dach is getting $2.2 like Kakko got. Stats nearly identical.

Primeau likely won’t be in the NHL anyways and even if he is, he’ll get something like $750,000 in the NHL while the injured goalie is on IR anyways. More then enough even without the trade(s) we all know are coming.

 

[Scriptor]

Wear & Tear isn’t an abstract concept. It refers to real life human beings suffering injuries, surgeries, rehab, and so on which leads to changes to their body mechanics.

Monahan is young metabolically but as worn down as a player can get and keep playing in the NHL (just barely).

He’ll have to stretch longer and limber up before every practice and game because of his hips, he’ll have to diligently exercise his wrists, etc…. I’m not too sure he has much tread left on his tires because even if he somehow recovers his mechanical ability to perform, he will still be more brittle and vulnerable to injury due to all the previous injuries. Gaborik managed to dig himself out of a dark hole of injury madness but for instance Martin Havlat could not.

It always depends what the injury is. Clean breaks actually become stronger than the original bone was once healed. I'm no specialist on Monahan's injuries, so I wouldn't be able to state whether he will be more brittle, as you say.

 

[Jack Spider]

I havent watched him much, but wasnt he known for his strong 2-way game?

He’s been rated a high end 2c two-way forward in NHL ea for almost a decade

 

[CrAzYNiNe]

Did Stasny bring a 1st rounder with him?

Stop worrying about next year's money. First, it's not yours. Second, the habs are not competing whatsoever.

You need to cut some of us posters some slack, we’ve been dealing borderline incompetent management team with the cap management. I’m still in the honeymoon phase with this group, however what they have done appears to be brilliant. Now the results have to match the deals.

As for this trade, it’s pure genius. The opportunity cost is enormous. The only down side is if this trade is a total waste of money (cap space) which in the end does not in anyway impact the future of the franchise. The Habs literally turned nothing into a 1st and an asset that could be a good asset or total garbage.

 

[MoneyManny]

I think we need to move on from Monahan, even if he has a good season. I mean the best I could see him doing is 20 goals 50 points. Sure that's usedul, but he won't be good when we're ready to win and there's too much injury risk.

Maybe we move him to a contender who want to win now while he's still good. I mean, if he's a good leader in the room, that could be useful for the young guys. But I favor getting good assets for vets and bottoming out for now, not only with guys like Chiarot and Toffoli, but also even Edmundson.

We got him for free with a 1st round pick attached to him, what do you think we can possibly get for him?

 

[26Mats]

We got him for free with a 1st round pick attached to him, what do you think we can possibly get for him?

I doubt much.

But anything is possible, if by some miracle he's able to get healthy.

 

[1909]

Looking forward for the Training Camp Day One and see if Monahan will pass his health tests and be allowed to start the camp with the others.

 

[durojean]

So ominous.

Gomez was actually good with 91. He became bad wearing 11

 

[Walksss]

Looking forward for the Training Camp Day One and see if Monahan will pass his health tests and be allowed to start the camp with the others.

It really doesn't matter if he's healthy for camp for this trade to be a massive win. Why would it matter if he can come to camp 'Day One'? Lol. He can be LTIR'd for the rest of his career and we still come out with a 1st round pick. It's a huge bonus from leveraging Price's contract space.

You seem to be completely missing the point in all of this all throughout this thread. I'm very glad these guys are in charge rather than this massively outdated way of thinking.

 

[Sterling Archer]

It really doesn't matter if he's healthy for camp for this trade to be a massive win. Why would it matter if he can come to camp 'Day One'? Lol. He can be LTIR'd for the rest of his career and we still come out with a 1st round pick. It's a huge bonus from leveraging Price's contract space.

You seem to be completely missing the point in all of this all throughout this thread. I'm very glad these guys are in charge rather than this massively outdated way of thinking.

Habs paid $6M for a 1st. That’s the way I see it. If he becomes productive, mentors, an possibly flipped for more assets, all cherries on top.

 

[NewEraGM]

Out:
Toffoli, Lehkonen, Chiarot, Kulak, Weber, Romanov, Petry

In:
1st 2022, 1st 2023, 1st 2024, 2nd 2022, Barron, Dadonov, Dach, Matheson, Monahan plus a few other prospects/late picks

Basically the equivalent of 5 first round picks in 1 year!