MMA General Discussion and Fight Announcements 10.0

[CDJ]

Vettori has opened as a -135 favorite over Hermansson, that’s weird to me

 

[I am not exposed]

Vettori has opened as a -135 favorite over Hermansson, that’s weird to me

You must be putting a bet on Hermansson surely.

 

[CDJ]

You must be putting a bet on Hermansson surely.

If my bank hadn’t banned me from depositing money into my gambling account then yes. Which means Vettori wins by split decision

 

[m9]

Vettori has opened as a -135 favorite over Hermansson, that’s weird to me

I don't really know if Vettori can hang with the top of the division, but if there is anyone he can hang with it might be Hermansson. Then again, I always underrate Hermansson.

It's a stay away for me.

 

[pistolpete11]

Vettori has opened as a -135 favorite over Hermansson, that’s weird to me

It's tough to get a read on Hermansson. Jacare and Gastelum are good names, but Jacare is not what he was and Gastelum just didn't show up. The rest of his resume is comparable to Vettori.

I'd probably favor Hermansson slightly since he's been under the bright lights before, but it's close. Maybe they think the grappling will cancel out and Vettori is a better striker?

 

[CDJ]

It's tough to get a read on Hermansson. Jacare and Gastelum are good names, but Jacare is not what he was and Gastelum just didn't show up. The rest of his resume is comparable to Vettori.

I'd probably favor Hermansson slightly since he's been under the bright lights before, but it's close. Maybe they think the grappling will cancel out and Vettori is a better striker?

that is what I was thinking the logic may be- but I’m not so sure they really are evenly matched on the ground. I think Vettori is good there but I think Hermansson is damn good

 

[pistolpete11]

that is what I was thinking the logic may be- but I’m not so sure they really are evenly matched on the ground. I think Vettori is good there but I think Hermansson is damn good

I don't disagree that Hermansson's pure ground game is better, but 2 things. 1) It might be tough getting it there. Vettori has good TDD and Hermansson's takedown accuracy is not great. 2) Being better on the ground doesn't necessarily mean you'll be able to get a finish and to repeatedly get a guy with good TDD down is hard to do and exhausting.

And to be clear, I'm not saying Hermansson can't win or won't win. Just that there is a very clear and reasonable path to victory for Vettori. Odds might be a little askew, but it's essentially a pick 'em in my mind.

 

[CDJ]

Submission Underground 19 | Grappling Event | Tapology

Chael puts together some interesting shit. Rumble has been doing some grappling tourneys

 

[Avs_19]

Wonderboy vs. Neal is the new main event.

Edwards handled things poorly with some of the fights he was turning down but he also has the worst luck. He won't fight at all this year and has lost out on a #1 contender fight with Woodley, a title fight with Usman, and for now this Chimaev fight.

 

[CDJ]

There were rumors Khamzat had covid too

 

[I am not exposed]

Wonderboy vs. Neal is the new main event.

Edwards handled things poorly with some of the fights he was turning down but he also has the worst luck. He won't fight at all this year and has lost out on a #1 contender fight with Woodley, a title fight with Usman, and for now this Chimaev fight.

Shame. I was looking forward to Edwards going to sleep.

 

[CDJ]

Pettis to face Morono at Dec. 19 UFC Fight Night

Lost Khamzat-Leon, gained showtime

 

[pistolpete11]

Through no fault of their own, the UFC is kind of sputtering to end 2020. UFC 256 is still decent if it stays intact and even without Edwards-Chimaev, the December 19 Fight Night is pretty good. But a lot can happen in 2-3 weeks even under normal circumstances let alone with the virus raging like it is.

What the UFC has done in 2020 is pretty remarkable, but this month off to build back the queue is very much welcomed IMO. Not to sound like a broken record and I understand why they don't, but I wish the UFC had fewer, but better events.

 

[I am not exposed]

Through no fault of their own, the UFC is kind of sputtering to end 2020. UFC 256 is still decent if it stays intact and even without Edwards-Chimaev, the December 19 Fight Night is pretty good. But a lot can happen in 2-3 weeks even under normal circumstances let alone with the virus raging like it is.

What the UFC has done in 2020 is pretty remarkable, but this month off to build back the queue is very much welcomed IMO. Not to sound like a broken record and I understand why they don't, but I wish the UFC had fewer, but better events.

As much as I enjoy UFC, them happening every week is a bit too much even for me!

 

[pistolpete11]

As much as I enjoy UFC, them happening every week is a bit too much even for me!

Perfect for me would be 2 events a month. A Fight Night in the middle and then a PPV at the end or something like that, but load them up. If they wanted to do more events, fine, but make it more up-and-comers / current prelim type of fights. Stuff the die hards would still watch, but might not interest just a regular viewer like me. Don't take a fight like Hermansson-Vettori to be the main event. That's a fight I want to see, but I don't want to see it bad enough to plan my life around it when I don't care about the rest of the card, any fight could end up sucking or ending quickly, and some cards don't end until 1am EST.

But if you took Hermansson-Vettori, RDA-Felder, Santos-Glover, etc. and put them on one card, I'd be glued to my TV for 3+ hours. As it is now, I'll try to catch the 1 or 2 fights I care about and if I don't, oh well. Then I hold my breath that there aren't any injuries or positive COVID tests that make that month's PPV skippable.

I know what they are doing makes more money, especially when they can have crowds and need a main event to get people to come to the gate, but it makes for a worse product IMO.

 

[pistolpete11]

Gold medalist boxer Shields signs MMA deal

Unfortunately Nunes and Cyborg probably don't stick around long enough for her to round out the rest of her game and if they do, they'll likely not be at the top of their games any more.

We've all seen specialists not make it in MMA, but at only 25 years old, at a weight class with limited competition, and her natural athleticism, she'll probably make some noise in MMA. Maybe they can just have her and that Harrison girl fight over and over again?

 

[Avs_19]

Gold medalist boxer Shields signs MMA deal

Unfortunately Nunes and Cyborg probably don't stick around long enough for her to round out the rest of her game and if they do, they'll likely not be at the top of their games any more.

We've all seen specialists not make it in MMA, but at only 25 years old, at a weight class with limited competition, and her natural athleticism, she'll probably make some noise in MMA. Maybe they can just have her and that Harrison girl fight over and over again?

That fact that she's only 25 and would be fighting in a very shallow division makes this more intriguing. It's also hard to imagine her rounding out her game at this stage. Even if her only focus is just defensive grappling, that still might be a tough task.

 

[CDJ]

Lerone Murphy vs Douglas Silva de Andrade set for Jan. 20 UFC event

Murphy looks good

 

[pistolpete11]

That fact that she's only 25 and would be fighting in a very shallow division makes this more intriguing. It's also hard to imagine her rounding out her game at this stage. Even if her only focus is just defensive grappling, that still might be a tough task.

Round out her game to do what is the question. To beat Nunes or Cyborg? Yeah, probably not. To beat the Anderson's or Spencer's of the world? I don't see why that wouldn't be possible. Harrison will be a problem for her, though. I'd rather be a grappler who needs to learn some striking than a boxer who needs to learn some grappling. Plus Harrison is also huge and has a few years head start on her in MMA.

I'm not making any declarations about the future or anything, but there's a chance in a few years that I'm interested in a WLW fight. I never thought that would happen.

 

[CDJ]

Aleksei Oleinik vs. Chris Daukaus added to UFC Fight Night on Feb. 20

Joseph Benavidez vs. Askar Askarov in the works for UFC 259 on March 6

UFC books Max Griffin vs. Song Kenan for March 20 Fight Night event

 

[CDJ]

Ex-champ Dillashaw wants 'title fight right away'

Go get a win first clown

 

[pistolpete11]

Ex-champ Dillashaw wants 'title fight right away'

Go get a win first clown

He probably figures everyone is going to hate him anyway so why not turn that up to 11?

I think it's probably negotiations in the media, though. He probably knows he's not getting a title shot right away, but if he asks for the title shot, they might counter with Frankie or Sandhagen or something like that. He gets a top 5 win, with his name value, he's going to get the next title shot.

 

[m9]

Through no fault of their own, the UFC is kind of sputtering to end 2020. UFC 256 is still decent if it stays intact and even without Edwards-Chimaev, the December 19 Fight Night is pretty good. But a lot can happen in 2-3 weeks even under normal circumstances let alone with the virus raging like it is.

What the UFC has done in 2020 is pretty remarkable, but this month off to build back the queue is very much welcomed IMO. Not to sound like a broken record and I understand why they don't, but I wish the UFC had fewer, but better events.

Yeah, it's kind of a crazy run in terms of issues at the top of cards. By my count the last 6 cards of the year will all have lost their main event and in some of the cases will have lost multiple versions of the main event.

Perfect for me would be 2 events a month. A Fight Night in the middle and then a PPV at the end or something like that, but load them up. If they wanted to do more events, fine, but make it more up-and-comers / current prelim type of fights. Stuff the die hards would still watch, but might not interest just a regular viewer like me. Don't take a fight like Hermansson-Vettori to be the main event. That's a fight I want to see, but I don't want to see it bad enough to plan my life around it when I don't care about the rest of the card, any fight could end up sucking or ending quickly, and some cards don't end until 1am EST.

But if you took Hermansson-Vettori, RDA-Felder, Santos-Glover, etc. and put them on one card, I'd be glued to my TV for 3+ hours. As it is now, I'll try to catch the 1 or 2 fights I care about and if I don't, oh well. Then I hold my breath that there aren't any injuries or positive COVID tests that make that month's PPV skippable.

I know what they are doing makes more money, especially when they can have crowds and need a main event to get people to come to the gate, but it makes for a worse product IMO.

It looks like they are aiming for a busy start to next year as well with 4 events in both January & February. Hopefully this is just a way to get a jump on their quota for 2021 and the new normal isn't 4 cards every month and 50 cards a year.

Admittedly the format of "fights every weekend" has grown on me a little bit with the pandemic going on and lots of things shut down, but ultimately I agree with you in that 2 cards a month would be perfect.

 

[m9]

He probably figures everyone is going to hate him anyway so why not turn that up to 11?

I think it's probably negotiations in the media, though. He probably knows he's not getting a title shot right away, but if he asks for the title shot, they might counter with Frankie or Sandhagen or something like that. He gets a top 5 win, with his name value, he's going to get the next title shot.

For sure - this is the best way to get his name out there. Already Yan & Cejudo have come at him and people are talking about him.

 

[pistolpete11]

It looks like they are aiming for a busy start to next year as well with 4 events in both January & February. Hopefully this is just a way to get a jump on their quota for 2021 and the new normal isn't 4 cards every month and 50 cards a year.

Admittedly the format of "fights every weekend" has grown on me a little bit with the pandemic going on and lots of things shut down, but ultimately I agree with you in that 2 cards a month would be perfect.

I didn't realize there was a Wednesday card between the Max-Kattar and Conor-Poirier cards. I guess this is their big announcement that the UFC is back and to get people ready for Conor's return. And as you say, get a head start on their quota.

I actually don't hate the idea of mid-week fight cards as long as the main card starts by 8:00 EST. There's always stuff going on on Saturday, less so during the pandemic, but I'm usually just at home on Wednesday night. I'd be more likely to turn on fights that I don't really care about on Wednesday than Saturday. Wednesday cards will probably only ever be in addition to the Saturday cards, though, so it's just adding to the too many events problem.

I think another thing they could play around with is the number of fights on a card. I know some of y'all are there from the early prelims through the main event, but 6 hours is just way too much time for me. For example at UFC 256, I'd like to see Hill, Dern, Cub, Hooper, etc. But am I going to tune in 3 hours early to do it? Probably not. Have a say...3...fight prelim card just in case some of the main card falls through and put the rest of those fights on different cards.

I don't know. I think they have options to help avoid some of these watered down cards even though I acknowledge that bad luck has contributed to the end of 2020. But the UFC gets stuck in its ways sometimes.