Mitch Marner vs Mikko Rantanen

[Notsince67]

How is he a step below? Last season he paced for 96 points which is higher than Marner has ever gotten.

I'm sure you'll retort with "blah blah pace I want to look at actual points since Marner got 94". I'll remember that and next time a leaf fans tries to pace out Matthews totals we will just have to reference this thread.

Its so hypocritical. In the Matthews threads pace and goal scoring are the only things on the planet that matter. Then we have a 180 here where I see the same people using point totals as justifications for their biased opinions and discrediting the "pace" argument.

Check out PP time. Enough said. The stats arent close

 

[Pyrophorus]

How is he a step below? Last season he paced for 96 points which is higher than Marner has ever gotten.

I'm sure you'll retort with "blah blah pace I want to look at actual points since Marner got 94". I'll remember that and next time a leaf fans tries to pace out Matthews totals we will just have to reference this thread.

Its so hypocritical. In the Matthews threads pace and goal scoring are the only things on the planet that matter. Then we have a 180 here where I see the same people using point totals as justifications for their biased opinions and discrediting the "pace" argument.

You're crazy if you don't think every fan base doesn't do this.

 

[NinjaKick]

I thought Localization of Laplacian Eigenfunctions in Simple andIrregular Domains by Nguyen Binh Thanh was light reading personally.

personally, I felt like the sexual innuendos were a little out of place. good read though.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

You're crazy if you don't think every fan base doesn't do this.

Forget fan bases, you do that.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

You're crazy if you don't think every fan base doesn't do this.

To be honest, I don't see other fanbases completely changing their views on pace, goals, points, etc. depending on which favors their player at a certain point in time. At least not to the same degree that *some* (have to emphasize this since apparently not being clear means I'm saying 100% of fans) Leaf fans do.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

You're crazy if you don't think every fan base doesn't do this.

You used a double negative here. You should be saying either "You're crazy if you think every fan base doesn't do this." or "You're crazy if you don't think every fan base does this." in order to get your point across properly.

 

[Mitch nylander]

Marner has been as good if not the better producer, and Mackinnon is a superior player to Matthews who he happens to play with.

 

[Cleatus]

With contracts considered, it's too close to call for me.

If they had the same AAV, I'd probably give the slight edge to Marner.

 

[McVespa99]

well MacKinnon was still great in the playoffs and high stake games (memorial cup, world cup ect) before Rantanen showed up so probably not.

2017-18 was Macs first big year. Before that he was a 50 point player. That coincedentally was also Rants first big year. Sorry but I think they both feed off each other. Mac is a great player on his own but his first real success came with Rants. Dont get me wrong I am not in any way saying Rants is carrying Mac. Im just saying your wrong.....

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

hmm I wonder if playing with the player who has the best PPG in playoffs (Mac is at 1.33 next closest is 1.25) over the last 3 years (minimum 5 games) has anything to do with that?

You're paying Marner 10.9m, but he gets the out of 'not playing with good enough players' for a fair comparison. Oh, and his center gets paid 11m.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Rantanen

 

[Dion TheFluff]

give me Marner. He seems to have taken another step so far this year

 

[34]

give me Marner. He seems to have taken another step so far this year

Marner has evolved more now, so you take him moving forward.

 

[IPS]

Marner is and always has been significantly better than Rantanen despite what the major anti-Leaf bias on HF attempts to lead people to believe.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

give me Marner. He seems to have taken another step so far this year

Against Ottawa? Rantanen is much better in playoffs.

 

[Ben White]

HF are funny. Before the season the narrative was EP > Barkov easily according to a recent poll, ranking lists etc. Now all of a sudden it’s Rantanen > Marner >> Pettersson. And I bet most people would say Barkov > Rantanen. ~15 games can do a lot to people’s reputation...

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

HF are funny. Before the season the narrative was EP > Barkov easily according to a recent poll, ranking lists etc. Now all of a sudden it’s Rantanen > Marner >> Pettersson. And I bet most people would say Barkov > Rantanen. ~15 games can do a lot to people’s reputation...

Barkov was always underrated. Marner was always overrated. I bet Leaf fans think Marner is better than Aho.

 

[EverybodyLovesRay]

Against Ottawa? Rantanen is much better in playoffs.

This.
Nothing has changed, except Marner plays againts Ottawa and Vancouver all the time. Rantanen is still better.

 

[Tralfamadore]

Avs fan saying Marner. Used to say Rantanen but Marner drives the play much better or at least much more consistently than Mikko does. Mikko has a level in game where he's seemingly unstoppable but it doesn't come out enough. Marner can 100% drive his own line. I've yet to see that out of Mikko.

 

[Dion TheFluff]

This.
Nothing has changed, except Marner plays againts Ottawa and Vancouver all the time. Rantanen is still better.

yeah because it's not like Rantanen gets to play against Anaheim, San Jose, LA, and Arizona all the time
The excuses are unreal.

 

[AvroArrow]

Barkov was always underrated. Marner was always overrated. I bet Leaf fans think Marner is better than Aho.

Na, we know he's better than Aho, which is no slight to Aho.

 

[BlueBaron]

Barkov was always underrated. Marner was always overrated. I bet Leaf fans think Marner is better than Aho.

I bet most people do.

Tell us again how a 90+ point player is overrated.....you know the guy 3rd in scoring....it's a great story.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Against Ottawa? Rantanen is much better in playoffs.

You: I've decided this one team he faces is bad so I discredit all of Marner's accomplishments.
Also you: I'm going to ignore all of the bad teams Rantanen faces though...
Also also you: I'm going to blatantly ignore actual opponent quality to make false claims about the playoffs!

I bet Leaf fans think Marner is better than Aho.

Marner is easily better than Aho.

 

[avsfan09]

yeah because it's not like Rantanen gets to play against Anaheim, San Jose, LA, and Arizona all the time
The excuses are unreal.

The teams in youe division average 3.11 goals against per game vs 2.78 in Colorado's. Its fairly significant imo.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

The teams in youe division average 3.11 goals against per game vs 2.78 in Colorado's. Its fairly significant imo.

So does that mean your division has inept offense and thats why your GA are so low?