Value of: Mitch Marner Contract Mega-Thread Pt. 2

[ccman68]

Brayden Point is immune to offer sheets. All offer sheets will only go to Mitch Marner. Even if you offer sheet Point, the league will immediately send them Marner's way.

The difference is that we have the cap space to give Point as much money as he wants so an offer sheet wouldn’t even matter. I doubt Dubas matches even 11 mil.

 

[TOGuy14]

TIL- Marner is a 90 pt player without ever scoring 90 pts in the NHL, and Bracco is Comparable to Alex Debrincat who never played one game in the AHL.

Keep it coming, bwhahaha

And I remember when HFBoards told us Marner was closer to Gagner than Kane, what is your point?

 

[Mickey Marner]

The difference is that we have the cap space to give Point as much money as he wants so an offer sheet wouldn’t even matter. I doubt Dubas matches even 11 mil.

Not only does Tampa have less cap space than Toronto, but the majority of it is tied up in players with NMC/NTC.

 

[Cubs2024WSChamps]

And I remember when HFBoards told us Marner was closer to Gagner than Kane, what is your point?

Did you just compare Marner to Kane?


Bwahahaha

 

[TML1967]

Stone 8x9.5 is a interesting comparable. Could see Leafs pushing for close to the same.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Not only does Tampa have less cap space than Toronto, but the majority of it is tied up in players with NMC/NTC.

Difference is Tampa has movable players with moderate cap hits (e.g., J.T. Miller) + Point has publicly indicated he has a lot of flexibility on term to make it work with the cap. The Leafs have less room to maneuver and an agent publicly demanding Matthews money. Also, Tampa just always makes their shit work. Hedman, Stamkos, McDonagh, Kucherov...They often look like they might be about to have a cap problem, but they never actually do.

 

[WhySoSerious]

Difference is Tampa has movable players with moderate cap hits (e.g., J.T. Miller) + Point has publicly indicated he has a lot of flexibility on term to make it work with the cap. The Leafs have less room to maneuver and an agent publicly demanding Matthews money. Also, Tampa just always makes their **** work. Hedman, Stamkos, McDonagh, Kucherov...They often look like they might be about to have a cap problem, but they never actually do.

So you think worse case scenario Toronto can't move guys like Brown, Johnsson, Kadri, Zaitsev to keep Marner? LOL

 

[Cubs2024WSChamps]

Stone 8x9.5 is a interesting comparable. Could see Leafs pushing for close to the same.

Somebody just compared him to Patrick Kane.

Shouldn't he be making Kane money?

 

[KevinRedkey]

An offer sheet for 10M will be doing the Leafs a favour. I guarantee Mitch (and his dad) will want more.

If a team wants to get stupid and offer sheet Marner for a ridiculous number, the Leafs take the 4 1sts and back the truck up for Panarin.

If he wants more, then he simply wouldn't sign the offer to begin with. Any offer sheet that he sings would have to be more money than the Leafs are offering, but also a number Marner would accept.

For all we know, offer sheets may be common, but often unsigned/rejected.

 

[Crazy Monkey]

Did you just compare Marner to Kane?


Bwahahaha

Only thing laughable was the Gagne comparison from other fan bases.

Marner is elite. His early playing career so far mirrors Kane's

 

[KevinRedkey]

Stone 8x9.5 is a interesting comparable. Could see Leafs pushing for close to the same.

Stone is as good as he is because of his 2-way game. Top-6 forwards don't often get paid much extra for that. Offense is what nets the real dollars.

A good example of this is back in 2014 when Bergeron got 6.875 (10.69%), and Kessel got 8.000 (12.44%). In today's cap world (expected 83.000) that would be 8.873 for Bergeron, and 10.325 for Kessel.

There's a lot of weird comparable all over the map, but the ones in Toronto are the closest to home. It's going to be tough for Dubas to convince Marner that he's worth less than Matthews and Tavares. Even if he does, it's hard to see him taking less than 10.000 IMO.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Did you just compare Marner to Kane?


Bwahahaha

Relax . The poster doesn't mean Evander.

 

[sessiroth]

Did you just compare Marner to Kane?


Bwahahaha

Do you not have reading comprehension?

 

[TML1967]

Stone is as good as he is because of his 2-way game. Top-6 forwards don't often get paid much extra for that. Offense is what nets the real dollars.

A good example of this is back in 2014 when Bergeron got 6.875 (10.69%), and Kessel got 8.000 (12.44%). In today's cap world (expected 83.000) that would be 8.873 for Bergeron, and 10.325 for Kessel.

There's a lot of weird comparable all over the map, but the ones in Toronto are the closest to home. It's going to be tough for Dubas to convince Marner that he's worth less than Matthews and Tavares. Even if he does, it's hard to see him taking less than 10.000 IMO.

20$ bet to the charity of the others choice.
I'll take under 9.999 million on any deal of 5 years or less.
Deal?

 

[TML1967]

Somebody just compared him to Patrick Kane.

Shouldn't he be making Kane money?

He has slowed down since his agent made his statements. Something like a .7ppg pace for almost a few weeks. If he keeps it up down the stretch he ends up with like 85/86 points.
I'd say that's closer to Stone than Kane money.
Kane (when on) IMO is as good as everyone not named McDavid.
Kane is just as good as Kutch when they are both at their best.

 

[KevinRedkey]

20$ bet to the charity of the others choice.
I'll take under 9.999 million on any deal of 5 years or less.
Deal?

I'll PM you to work out the details

 

[Speatleysson]

Marner will be a leaf for many years to come. Dubas will over pay and that's okay for a core piece. Nylander's front loaded contract will be very moveable in a few years and don't forget Marleau coming off the books.

 

[82Ninety42011]

Stone 8x9.5 is a interesting comparable. Could see Leafs pushing for close to the same.

Consider no income tax in Nevada as well it's a variable to consider.

 

[Habsrule]

You have to wonder if the Leafs try to go about it another way. Sit Marner and his agent down and explain to him this.

We will sign you to a one year deal for eight million. Yes we know that it is under market value but hear us out. After that year we will have been able to lock Johnsson and Kapanen in long term and have Marleau’s six million come off the books. We will then sign you to Matthews / Tavares money.

 

[Aoko]

I'll summarize the next 1000 posts:

HFBoards: Mitch Marner is worth a lot of money and a very talented player. He could get offer sheets above 10M+ and the Leafs would have no choice but to match. It will screw up their cap completely.

Dubas: Mitch Marner signs for 9.5M * 8 years.

HFBoards: WOW Dubas overpaid!

He won't sign for 9.5m. Sorry for the spoiler.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

He won't sign for 9.5m. Sorry for the spoiler.

I too think this is wishful thinking. Nothing below 10M per. Marner's agent was quoted as saying Matthews and Nylander did not take team discounts and that Marner already gave the Leafs a discount. Why should Mitch? He's already digging in his heals and he knows Dubas will ante up. Because that is what Dubas does.

 

[82Ninety42011]

You have to wonder if the Leafs try to go about it another way. Sit Marner and his agent down and explain to him this.

We will sign you to a one year deal for eight million. Yes we know that it is under market value but hear us out. After that year we will have been able to lock Johnsson and Kapanen in long term and have Marleau’s six million come off the books. We will then sign you to Matthews / Tavares money.

What if he has a bad year next year or even worse gets injured Leafs still gonna sign him to the deal you speak of? Not a chance Marner takes that risk he will want his money as any other player would.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

You have to wonder if the Leafs try to go about it another way. Sit Marner and his agent down and explain to him this.

We will sign you to a one year deal for eight million. Yes we know that it is under market value but hear us out. After that year we will have been able to lock Johnsson and Kapanen in long term and have Marleau’s six million come off the books. We will then sign you to Matthews / Tavares money.

That's the dilemma, and why an offer sheet to Marner is a scary proposition. With the years Kapanen who no one is talking about, and Johnsson are having. Either they get squeezed or they too will try to get Dubas to ante up too. This is why the high signings of Matthews and Nylander of Marner's agents comments will come back to roost. They didn't take team discounts, why should my player take a discount. Looks like cap hell to me.

 

[Nizdizzle]

Cap hell is having too many bad players signed to bad contracts.

Having too many good players to afford is not a hell of any kind. The worst case scenario for the Leafs is they lose 1 good player (Johnsson or Kapanen). Is it ideal? No. Is it some great calamity? No.

 

[Petrus]

Cap hell is having too many bad players signed to bad contracts.

Having too many good players to afford is not a hell of any kind. The worst case scenario for the Leafs is they lose 1 good player (Johnsson or Kapanen). Is it ideal? No. Is it some great calamity? No.

This is worth quoting again.