Miscellaneous NHL Talk V10.0 - 2018/19 Regular Season

[FLYguy3911]

Not many players you'd say that about.

Think we've played that game before.

 

[pit]

These are awful...

My first reaction upon seeing the image: "Why is someone posting crappy knock-off jerseys in this thread?"

My reaction after learning what they are: "Oh."

 

[baudib1]

If we are buyers and sellers, Muzzin would have been a nice target.

 

[phil162888]

Thats a pretty weak return for Muzzin.

Grundstrom and Durzi are dime-a-dozen assets and thats gonna be a late 1st in all likelihood.

Blake has been pretty bad so far in LA.

Dubas is killing it. Sigh.

Grundstrom is a great player. He'd be perfect for us on the 3rd line. Fast, feisty, great hands and good PK. Leafs lack toughness up front so they go and trade their only prospect that plays with grit. Interesting....

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Muzin returned about as much as coburn did. Both second pairing guys.

 

[baudib1]

I'd describe Muzzin as one of the better No. 2s in the league.

 

[oooooooooohCanada]

Didnt realize Muzzin only has 1 year left.

He has this year and next year. Two year rental ala McDonagh.

 

[dats81]

What would have happened on this board if Fletcher got Muzzin for say

Allison+ Ginning + 2020 first
or
Ratcliffe + Friedman + 2019 first (top-5 protected)

???
...which would be about equal value compared to what Toronto gave up in the deal. I envision a lynchmob on Broad Street.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I mean our first round pick is probably going to be somewhere in the 6-12 range so that’s a lot more valuable than the pick Toronto is likely giving up. We’re not making the playoffs this year so that’s one wasted opportunity with Muzzin & he’s UFA after the next season.

So Fletcher would get criticized for that move & rightfully so.

 

[Chinatown88]

And do we really want another left shot?

 

[deadhead]

Muzzin isn't a good fit.
LHD, which we don't need.
Turns 30 in February, too old to be part of finishing the rebuild.
Only one more year left on his team friendly deal, then an extension starting at 31/32.

Typical example of a well marinated mid-round defensive pick:
Overage year in the OHL in his D+3 season, never signed by the Penguins who drafted him in the 5th rd.
Two years in the AHL
Finally won a starting job a couple months before his 24th birthday.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Crazy petry cost a second round pick when compared to all this trades. Even Amac went for 2 seconds.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Petry was funny. MacTavish left himself at the alter there. The Flyers got Gudas, a 1st rounder, & 3rd rounder for Coburn that same deadline. But they moved him earlier.

 

[dats81]

I mean our first round pick is probably going to be somewhere in the 6-12 range so that’s a lot more valuable than the pick Toronto is likely giving up. We’re not making the playoffs this year so that’s one wasted opportunity with Muzzin & he’s UFA after the next season.

So Fletcher would get criticized for that move & rightfully so.

Even if you take out the 1st and replace it with this year's 2nd, people wouldn't like any deal that is build around multiple former second round picks because potential future upside always seems to count more than real measurable achievements.

I'm not advocating that Fletcher should have been all over it but Muzzin is a legit top-4 and has cup winning experience. He is worth the return.
Him being a LHD would mean that someone like Hägg would have to go and or Ghost switch back to the right side, which is easily managable.

The Flyers have an abundance of second tier prospects and that kind of move for an experienced Vet still in his prime with some term left is exactly what could help to turn this around quickly.

 

[baudib1]

Put Muzzin and Panarin on this team and we'll win the Cup next year.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Even if you take out the 1st and replace it with this year's 2nd, people wouldn't like any deal that is build around multiple former second round picks because potential future upside always seems to count more than real measurable achievements.

I'm not advocating that Fletcher should have been all over it but Muzzin is a legit top-4 and has cup winning experience. He is worth the return.
Him being a LHD would mean that someone like Hägg would have to go and or Ghost switch back to the right side, which is easily managable.

The Flyers have an abundance of second tier prospects and that kind of move for an experienced Vet still in his prime with some term left is exactly what could help to turn this around quickly.

I don’t think many reasonable people really care about parting away with Allison &/or Ratcliffe at this point. They’re both depth prospects who’s stock isn’t trending big time in a positive way to make you think any otherwise. But given the Flyers situation this year you’d like someone with more term than Muzzin.

 

[deadhead]

Muzzin is also past his peak, and odds are he'll be in serious decline when an extension comes up.
This is a player that a "win now" team goes for, trading a 1st rd pick in the late 20s and two second tier prospects.
Gundstrom is probably Allison with the bad knee, not as valuable as Ratcliffe.
Durzi is probably similar in value to Zamula.

This is the kind of deal Fletcher should make two years from now, when the Flyers have made the playoffs a couple times, and there's no room for prospects so you trade some for veterans and some for future draft picks to keep the pipeline full.

 

[deadhead]

I don’t think many reasonable people really care about parting away with Allison &/or Ratcliffe at this point. They’re both depth prospects who’s stock isn’t trending big time in a positive way to make you think any otherwise. But given the Flyers situation this year you’d like someone with more term than Muzzin.

Allison is a question mark with the knee, but what does Ratcliffe have to do other than be on a 50 goal pace to show improvement?

 

[FLYguy3911]

Or right handed.

 

[baudib1]

Muzzin isn't past his peak, he's in his peak. AFAICT he's still getting better. He's been better than Doughty this year.

 

[baudib1]

Or right handed.

Funny how a good team like the TML don't care about this (RHD was a need) and just got the best player they could. Meanwhile the Flyers fret over fit and just stick Hagg in the lineup for two years.

The last time the Flyers were in the SCF they had 6 lefty defensemen.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Put Muzzin and Panarin on this team and we'll win the Cup next year.

That’s a little like thinking the Briere & Timonen signings in ‘07 equaled Cup. Nothing’s quite that simple, & there are some great teams in the East to compete with. Plus, you can’t assume that wanting Panarin is enough to sign him; the Flyers desperately wanted Suter & Parise & got neither. Many teams will be fighting for Panarin, & by most accounts he has geographical preferences that would place other franchises above Philly in the competition for his service.

 

[hatcher]

What would have happened on this board if Fletcher got Muzzin for say

Allison+ Ginning + 2020 first
or
Ratcliffe + Friedman + 2019 first (top-5 protected)

???
...which would be about equal value compared to what Toronto gave up in the deal. I envision a lynchmob on Broad Street.

Bout f***in time is what i would say. Get a player flyers fans love.

 

[FlyTimmo]

I don't see us beating Tampa. Panarin and Muzzin probably don't change that.

 

[baudib1]

That’s a little like thinking the Briere & Timonen signings in ‘07 equaled Cup. Nothing’s quite that simple, & there are some great teams in the East to compete with. Plus, you can’t assume that wanting Panarin is enough to sign him; the Flyers desperately wanted Suter & Parise & got neither. Many teams will be fighting for Panarin, & by most accounts he has geographical preferences that would place other franchises above Philly in the competition for his service.

It's not really anything at all like that and I'm not assuming Panarin signs here.