Miscellaneous NHL talk, summer Part two

[Curufinwe]

Salaries rise along with the cap, but the owners want to protect themselves from signing guys for too long. Getting it down from unlimited contract length to 7/8 years was the first step, so it's not surprising they would want to lower it even further.

I don't think it's a big deal, personally.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

5 year max deals gives the owners even more leverage.
The owners agreed to the current contract structure. Anyone really think the players are going to give up 2-3 contract years?
Not going to happen. I can see why smaller market teams would want it, it is not going to happen.

 

[deadhead]

As long as the total pie going to players increases, shorter contract lengths only hurts a few older players who can't maximize their free agent leverage to get overpaid for their out years. They'd have to sign shorter deals at higher AVV and hope to show they're worth resigning in years 6-7 instead of getting guaranteed money. It'll protect franchises from bad GMs, and free up more money for younger players who are putting fans in the seats.

 

[Curufinwe]

Yes, I do. The NHLPA always ends up making concessions when a new CBA is signed.

They went from multiple players getting 14 year contracts to agreeing to a maximum length of 7/8 years, so going down to 5/6 would be a much smaller step.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I don’t know. I cant see the players giving that up. Maybe only allowing one max deal per team?

 

[renberg]

The Flyers are sixth in the league as far as having the most cap space with $10,282,500 of room. What's Hexy going to do with all of this room?
Going forward, if they don't re-sign Elliot, Neuvirth, Simmonds, Lehtera, Weal, Leier and Folin, the cap space for the next season would be $27,327,500. Granted that Provorov, Konecny and Sanheim will need new deals but their not going to eat up all of that money. Some new players (Hart, Myers, Sanheim,NAK, Vorobyov, etc.) will be brought up through the system and they're not going to be overly expensive. Maybe the Holmgren years where the Flyers were hamstrung by the cap have clouded the view but all of that room ought to mean that a big move is possible.

 

[FlyTimmo]

The Flyers are sixth in the league as far as having the most cap space with $10,282,500 of room. What's Hexy going to do with all of this room?

Resign RFAs

 

[renberg]

Resign RFAs

1. The RFAs that need to be signed are Provy, Konecny and Sanheim. Theyre not going to cost all of that cap space.

 

[FlyTimmo]

1. The RFAs that need to be signed are Provy, Konecny and Sanheim. Theyre not going to cost all of that cap space.

Provorov will likely range from 6.5-7.5
Konecny likely from 4 - 6
Sanheim probably a bridge deal or 5>.

Then guys like Patrick and Lindblom will need to be signed the year after. The former, could potentially earn a pretty big deal.

We would be fine as plenty of contracts will be coming off, but I'd prefer to not be up against the cap considering we aren't really cup threats right now.

 

[deadhead]

You don't sign a big money free agent for 2 years, JVR got 5 years and that was tough bargaining by Hextall.
So having cap room for two years doesn't mean you have room for a big money 7 year contract.
It does mean you have the option of picking up a solid player who is overpaid for the last two years of his contract.

Flyers will have RFA contracts coming up every year in the future, Lindblom and Patrick in the summer of 2020, Myers in 2021, Frost in 2022, Farabee and O'Brien in 2023 and so on.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

1. The RFAs that need to be signed are Provy, Konecny and Sanheim. Theyre not going to cost all of that cap space.

Konecny needs to be signed for 8 years. Provy can sign for 5 or 6 years if the caphit is reasonably low and Sanheim we need to wait a year to see what he really is. However if Hexy won't use that capspace to add someone legit good - Bob, Karlsson, Seguin or whomever else we might just lock them all up for max term.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

You don't sign a big money free agent for 2 years, JVR got 5 years and that was tough bargaining by Hextall.
So having cap room for two years doesn't mean you have room for a big money 7 year contract.
It does mean you have the option of picking up a solid player who is overpaid for the last two years of his contract.

Flyers will have RFA contracts coming up every year in the future, Lindblom and Patrick in the summer of 2020, Myers in 2021, Frost in 2022, Farabee and O'Brien in 2023 and so on.

Justin Williams, Pault Stastny and Thornton all signed plenty of short term deals. However if you are failing pit of misery you have to commit both term and money to attract talent in free agency.

 

[Garbage Goal]

Justin Williams, Pault Stastny and Thornton all signed plenty of short term deals. However if you are failing pit of misery you have to commit both term and money to attract talent in free agency.

Thornton and Williams are both pretty old, that alone is usually enough to receive only short term deals. The former also spent most of his career with one team that he’s still with. The latter became notorious for being mostly valuable to playoff teams.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Holy cow what a fantastic deal for Ellis.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Holy cow what a fantastic deal for Ellis.

All UFA years too. Positive for Provorov negotiations.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

All UFA years too. Positive for Provorov negotiations.

Friendly reminder that it's just 250k over what ceci asked at arbitration.

 

[Tripod]

Poile is a magician with contracts.

 

[briererocks]

Poile is a magician with contracts.

Provorov should get a long term in the 5 range. No way a ufa like Ellis signs long term for around 6m and we should be paying a rfa with no arbitration rights more than 6.

 

[deadhead]

Would you trade Provorov for Ellis?
Ellis is more like Ghost without the power play production.

And for all the people here who complain about how Sanheim was handled, Ellis bounced back and forth between the AHL and NHL:

age 21, 32 NHL games, 29 AHL games
age 22, 32 NHL games, 32 AHL games
Didn't become a full-time starter until he was 23.

 

[sabremike]

As long as the total pie going to players increases, shorter contract lengths only hurts a few older players who can't maximize their free agent leverage to get overpaid for their out years. They'd have to sign shorter deals at higher AVV and hope to show they're worth resigning in years 6-7 instead of getting guaranteed money. It'll protect franchises from bad GMs, and free up more money for younger players who are putting fans in the seats.

Know what really protects a team from a bad GM? Not hiring a bad GM in the first place. Maybe try that instead of creating a system where the Columbuses and Carolinas of the world will lose all their good players to the Torontos and Chicagos of the world.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Would you trade Provorov for Ellis?
Ellis is more like Ghost without the power play production.

And for all the people here who complain about how Sanheim was handled, Ellis bounced back and forth between the AHL and NHL:

age 21, 32 NHL games, 29 AHL games
age 22, 32 NHL games, 32 AHL games
Didn't become a full-time starter until he was 23.

I would not. For one, Ellis is 27. For two, Provorov is producing at comparable levels at is only getting better on the defensive side.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

There’s honestly a lot of bad GM’s in this league & they keep getting recycled even when they do get fired.

 

[sabremike]

There’s honestly a lot of bad GM’s in this league & they keep getting recycled even when they do get fired.

When the vast majority of teams limit their GM hires to former players that shouldn't be surprising in the least. The league and owners run things like the crudest parody of an old boy's network and wonder why the quality of executives in hockey is the worst of all the 4 major sports.

 

[Curufinwe]

Konecny needs to be signed for 8 years. Provy can sign for 5 or 6 years if the caphit is reasonably low and Sanheim we need to wait a year to see what he really is. However if Hexy won't use that capspace to add someone legit good - Bob, Karlsson, Seguin or whomever else we might just lock them all up for max term.

There's almost no chance Konecny gets 8 years.

 

[Curufinwe]

The Ellis contract is fine if he stays healthy to age 36 scoring 40+ points a year. But he's already had one major knee injury, and has missed 23% of the previous four regular seasons. He is also small for a dman, so as well as the injuries that can happen to any player, there's a good chance of him just wearing down by his mid 30s.

I don't think Provrov's agent will think this contract affects his negotiating position. He will say Provorov is only 21, has already hit the 40 point plateau, has never missed a game, and is a true #1 dman.