Mike Richards (Warning in OP)

[apadilla]

Dustin Brown's contract is just ugly. The Kings can't buy it out(it's not eligible), Brown has a limited (handshake) NMC/NTC with Lombardi (I am guessing a gentlemen agreement).

Just an ugly contract.

It's not so bad. And he has earned it. Pay the captain.

 

[kingsfan]

Dustin Brown's contract is just ugly. The Kings can't buy it out(it's not eligible), Brown has a limited (handshake) NMC/NTC with Lombardi (I am guessing a gentlemen agreement).

Just an ugly contract.

Why is it ineligible? I think you can buy out any contract, it'll just cost against the salary cap.

 

[damacles1156]

Why is it ineligible? I think you can buy out any contract, it'll just cost against the salary cap.

I don't think it's eligible right now(this season). There are limits.

The way Brown's contract is structured, the Kings would pay a heavy cap hit for Buying out Brown(within the next two years) wouldn't be worth it. Brown is due around 20 Million over these next three years.


2015-16: $517,857
2016-17: $767,857
2017-18: $1,267,857
2018-19: $2,267,857
2019-20: $2,267,857
2020-21: $3,767,857
2021-22: $3,767,857
2022-23: $1,892,857
2023-24: $1,892,857
2024-25: $1,892,857
2025-26: $1,892,857
2026-27: $1,892,857
2027-28: $1,892,857
2028-29: $1,892,857

Those are the cap hits.

Here is Mike Richards


2015-16: $1,216,667
2016-17: $1,716,667
2017-18: $2,716,667
2018-19: $4,216,667
2019-20: $4,216,667
2020-21: $1,466,667
2021-22: $1,466,667
2022-23: $1,466,667
2023-24: $1,466,667
2024-25: $1,466,667

Something really awful: David Clarkson's buyout


2015-16: $4,716,667
2016-17: $3,716,667
2017-18: $3,716,667
2018-19: $4,716,667
2019-20: $4,716,667
2020-21: $466,667
2021-22: $466,667
2022-23: $466,667
2023-24: $466,667
2024-25: $466,667

This does not include his 20 Million dollar signing bonuses, that he gets regardless.

And the reason the Flyers won't buyout Chris Pronger

2015-16: $4,558,095
2016-17: $4,558,095
2017-18: $191,667
2018-19: $191,667

The Rangers are in trouble if Hank gets old fast.


2015-16: $1,861,111
2016-17: $2,361,111
2017-18: $2,861,111
2018-19: $4,361,111
2019-20: $4,861,111
2020-21: $6,361,111
2021-22: $2,361,111
2022-23: $2,361,111
2023-24: $2,361,111
2024-25: $2,361,111
2025-26: $2,361,111
2026-27: $2,361,111

 

[KBA4life]

It will all be deflected elsewhere if that happens.

Richards deserves flack as his game has fallen off. There is no question about it. The same is true for Brown. But the witchhunt is absurd. Then you have the blue chip players like Kopitar, Carter and Gaborik who up until a few games ago, were all struggling quite a bit.

Just as an example of how ridiculous this place can be at times, there were posters on here that were actually complaining about the defense last year with Regehr being the focal point. One person was calling him the worth defensemen in the NHL. Can you believe that? This team played most (if not all) of the year and finished the year with the lowest goals against but at one point during the season last year people were focused on bashing the defense and Regehr. It's borderline comical.

I've said it in this thread a handful of times but I'll let the guy who managed this team to two Stanley Cups make the personnel and accounting decisions. Another thing that is funny to me is that a lot of the people in here bashing Richards were people that were very critical of Dean Lombardi until he took the Kings to the promised land. I'm not pointing the fingers and anyone in particular but I do think some people like to have something to complain about.

Passion breeds irrationality, fans of every team in every league on the planet discuss all kinds of stupid stuff on message boards. Look up Internet forums for any English Premier League club....it's hilarious, and makes this forum look like kindergarten.

I can only speak for myself, but Brown doesn't get as much flak from me as Richards does simply because Brown's effort is never in question. His execution is. Brown's contract is awful, he's a turnover machine, he'll probably never score 25+ goals in a season again, and his physical game is declining....buuuut, at least skates full speed out there. Consistently.

Richards gets more abuse since his decline is a matter of both lack of execution and effort. Terrible combo.

 

[SFKingshomer]

Might as well get rid of Richards if he's only going to play 10-12 minutes per game.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Might as well get rid of Richards if he's only going to play 10-12 minutes per game.

Being realistic here, what kind of return you guys think Richards will get?

My guess is that the Kings might have to swallow some of his contract and absorb a chunk of it, or they take on a risky contract back (which I prefer they not do).

 

[SFKingshomer]

Being realistic here, what kind of return you guys think Richards will get?

My guess is that the Kings might have to swallow some of his contract and absorb a chunk of it, or they take on a risky contract back (which I prefer they not do).

I think they can get a mid round pick if they eat a couple million or take some salary back.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I think they can get a mid round pick if they eat a couple million or take some salary back.

I guess if the benefit is gaining cap space in order to retain the core guys on the roster, it would make sense, but I just feel a bit uncomfortable with getting such little in return. Even with his diminished play, I felt he did make some valuable contributions towards the 2014 Cup run.

He scored some important goals in the series against Anaheim and in the Finals against New York that helped spread LA's lead against their opponents, not to mention his assist on the game tying goal in dying moments of Game 1 against the Ducks and his OT assist on Williams' winning goal in Game 1 in the Finals.

If they are to receive a legitimate return for him that is a sensible hockey trade then I can see Lombardi making the move, but it's a hard pill to swallow if he's moved in a salary dumping trade.

 

[Fishhead]

I think they can get a mid round pick if they eat a couple million or take some salary back.

Doing that kind of defeats the purpose of trading Richards. So you retain 2M, and save 3.XM. A $3.XM UFA isn't going to bring any more than Richards does, and they certainly aren't going to have his playoff pedigree. No one in the league has been to more conference finals and cup finals in the last 5 or so years than Richards and Carter.

The only way he's traded is if DL gets value back, I think we all know that by now. DL isn't going to screw with chemistry for a salary dump. Guys like Brown and Richards are a consequence of winning cups, you just ride them as long as you can. You can be a cutthroat GM and trade guys when they start to decline, and say it's just a business. At the same time, that goes against the loyal, tight-knit, tattoo culture DL always talks about. You can't have it both ways, which is why it is so hard to maintain a top flight team long term in the salary cap era.

 

[SFKingshomer]

Doing that kind of defeats the purpose of trading Richards. So you retain 2M, and save 3M. A $3M UFA isn't going to bring any more than Richards does.

The only way he's traded is if DL gets value back, I think we all know that by now.

You save 3.75 to use towards retaining other players

 

[Johnny Utah]

Edmonton, Washington and the Chicago are looking at centers...

I think at this point a pick and or a prospect would suffice.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Chicago would be a horrible trading partner.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Passion breeds irrationality, fans of every team in every league on the planet discuss all kinds of stupid stuff on message boards. Look up Internet forums for any English Premier League club....it's hilarious, and makes this forum look like kindergarten.

I can only speak for myself, but Brown doesn't get as much flak from me as Richards does simply because Brown's effort is never in question. His execution is. Brown's contract is awful, he's a turnover machine, he'll probably never score 25+ goals in a season again, and his physical game is declining....buuuut, at least skates full speed out there. Consistently.

Richards gets more abuse since his decline is a matter of both lack of execution and effort. Terrible combo.

I'm sorry, but that's some grade A bull****.

Call it a conditioning issue if you want to, but Mike Richards has never taken a shift off in his career.

 

[Ron*]

Edmonton, Washington and the Chicago are looking at centers...

Edmonton is looking for an NHL team.

 

[KBA4life]

I'm sorry, but that's some grade A bull****.

Call it a conditioning issue if you want to, but Mike Richards has never taken a shift off in his career.

That's hyperbole, and highly unlikely. Richards himself admitted he wasn't in good shape. Lombardi had to ****ing check up on him in the summer to see some semblance of workout progress in person.

Basic logic would conclude that if you're going to take workouts off in the summer, you're going to take some shifts off from time to time. Or, in MR's case, a lot of the time these days.

 

[BigBrown]

10 minutes of ice-time last night, slightly edging out Kyle Clifford for least on the team. And that's with our 2nd line center being used on wing. Rough.

 

[Herby]

10 minutes of ice-time last night, slightly edging out Kyle Clifford for least on the team. And that's with our 2nd line center being used on wing. Rough.

Yeah, but he is playing that role well. You can't expect PP time for a guy who has zero offensive game at this point, and he has just been passed over by guys like Pearson and Toffoli for the PK shifts. That is what was driving up his icetime, but it's just to much to ask at this point.

I think we can all come up with a peace about Richards, he is fine in the role that Sutter has put him in, the conspiracy theorists who think Sutter "hates" him are out to lunch or simply letting their love of Richards blind what is really going on. Obviously this is not going to sustainable long term, but for this season there is no issue and Richards as a bottom line center is an advantage over basically every team in the league. I was massively anti-Richards last season because despite being the worst player on the team for the final few months, Sutter would still use him WAY to much, and to the detriment of the team. He was seeing PP time even though he couldn't shoot a puck into the ocean and PK time even though his defense resembled the Maginot Line. This year in the energy role Richards has been pretty darn good, the problem is some people like Johnny just can't get over the fact that the Philly player will never appear again. And the people who are Richards fans before Kings fans can't be happy and accept this new role for him because apparently they want to see Richards play more even if it is worse off for the Kings.

 

[moosehead81]

Lombardi would not trade Richards to a contending western conference team like Chicago cause he's the kind of player who might just come back and bite you right in the ass. Edmonton might be a possibility but I'd venture a team in the east might be your safest bet. And Herby, the Maginot Line was such a great (expensive) defensive position that in 1940, it forced the Nazis to bypass it and go around it through Belgium, sweeping up behind it and basically rendering it useless.

 

[kingsOnly]

I'd kind of like to see Chris Stewart on this team but I'm not sure if he brings the power game like a lot of other power forwards.

 

[kingsfan]

I'd kind of like to see Chris Stewart on this team but I'm not sure if he brings the power game like a lot of other power forwards.

If he ever gets a work ethic and a better attitude I would as well.

 

[The Tikkanen]

Sekera's name popped up today, Richards + for him? I don't think there is anything wrong with Richards physically, he simply cannot play hockey at an elite level anymore-that's the bottom line.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Sekera's name popped up today, Richards + for him? I don't think there is anything wrong with Richards physically, he simply cannot play hockey at an elite level anymore-that's the bottom line.

It's probably just me but I dont think we need a defensemen anymore.

Brayden McNabb has earned a spot on this roster.

 

[bmr]

It's probably just me but I dont think we need a defensemen anymore.

Brayden McNabb has earned a spot on this roster.

I disagree. We saw in 2013 what happens when you lose a guy like Mitchell in the lineup.

I think this offense is a lot more fluid with McBain in there instead of Regehr. His passing and skating are great. Let's hope he can continue that in the next few games.

 

[deeshamrock]

Sekera's name popped up today, Richards + for him? I don't think there is anything wrong with Richards physically, he simply cannot play hockey at an elite level anymore-that's the bottom line.

PEr Bruce Garrioch of the Ottawa Sun over the weekend, Canes are asking for a young prospect and a 1st round pick.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Unfortunately, need a round 2 for this one