Mike Babcock discussion part 3.

[hector morrison]

Babs is full of you know what. he never hesitates to play his favorites as much as he wants Mo Riels, Cici, Z, Hainsey get 15 plus minutes a night but no forward gets an extra minute or two. Nice double edge sword there. He contradicts himself a lot when it meets his agenda. The Leafs will get what they deserve sticking to this coach and this unbalanced team construction.
you will get the odd good games but definitely not a winning formula. That's as clear as day.

Wait till you see the ice time Hyman gets...not worried about him burnin' out...Babs,such an obvious jack-ass!

 

[supermann_98]

Bab's hates it when players rack up points.

He's definitely got a socialist view on how minutes (and points) should be distributed.

It's why Datsyuk's career high was 97 points, despite being universally lauded as being one of the top 5 players in hockey for much of his career.

 

[MyBudJT]

He's definitely got a socialist view on how minutes (and points) should be distributed.

It's why Datsyuk's career high was 97 points, despite being universally lauded as being one of the top 5 players in hockey for much of his career.

I really don't think Babcock's ice time decisions are solely his decisions. I really think our medical and sports science teams have considerable input into this as well.

 

[Trapper]

This team is built to outscore their problems. Plain and simple.
Tavares,Matthews,Nylander,Marner,Rielly are all offensive guys who are only average at best defensively. Never to be confused with Datsyuk/Zetterberg.
They don’t cycle well or forecheck.
They offense and scramble to get the puck back to offense again. Only solid goaltending allows them to scramble it back before giving up 1 or 2.
The sooner Babcock realizes this, the better.
Forget your matchup or gud pro, it’s offense or die.

 

[ACC1224]

Burn out? At 22 years old? Not buyin' that crap!Lad is a horse!

Yeah there is probably a more rational explanation like he hates him or trying to lose to make Dubas look bad.

 

[hector morrison]

Yeah there is probably a more rational explanation like he hates him or trying to lose to make Dubas look bad.

No...just more rational to him. In his own mind,that no one is above the coach. He's a jack-ass! Losing a game and not playing your best offensive weapons...brilliant!

 

[hector morrison]

He's definitely got a socialist view on how minutes (and points) should be distributed.

It's why Datsyuk's career high was 97 points, despite being universally lauded as being one of the top 5 players in hockey for much of his career.

There wasn't any sadness when he left the Wings.

 

[ACC1224]

No...just more rational to him. In his own mind,that no one is above the coach. He's a jack-ass! Losing a game and not playing your best offensive weapons...brilliant!

 

[Ryan Michaels]

57 shots last night. No lack of anything except goaltending.

There were certainly rough patches, but the team worked through them... whens the last time we registered 57 shots!?!

Edit: Looked it up, it was Nov 23, 2009! Prior to that was 1978!!

You guys know Babcock doesn't want the team pushing play like that right? The fact that they are capable of it and allowed to only when facing a huge deficit is the dumbest part of all of this. Babcock wants no event hockey and to play for overtime, even against teams we should be able to destroy, he has said as much, I'm more upset with him after last night. The team has looked passive and disengaged so often this year but last night proves they are capable of being a dominant offensive team, even without Marner! And they choose not to be.

 

[supermann_98]

There wasn't any sadness when he left the Wings.

Similarly I highly doubt there's a single tear shed in the leafs dressing room when he's canned.

I personally can't even watch his post game interviews and game day scrums. It's a generic Paul Hendrick canned question followed by media shills too afraid of him or losing their credentials to ask any serious questions.

He's a straight up bully if you question his lines or tactics. He's got allll the answers allll the time, but the team still plays like crap.

 

[MyBudJT]

You guys know Babcock doesn't want the team pushing play like that right? The fact that they are capable of it and allowed to only when facing a huge deficit is the dumbest part of all of this. Babcock wants no event hockey and to play for overtime, even against teams we should be able to destroy, he has said as much, I'm more upset with him after last night. The team has looked passive and disengaged so often this year but last night proves they are capable of being a dominant offensive team, even without Marner! And they choose not to be.

What makes you think that Babcock doesn't like it when we direct 57 shots on net?

What makes you think Babcock wants no event hockey and to play for overtime, even against inferior teams?

 

[MyBudJT]

Similarly I highly doubt there's a single tear shed in the leafs dressing room when he's canned.

I personally can't even watch his post game interviews and game day scrums. It's a generic Paul Hendrick canned question followed by media shills too afraid of him or losing their credentials to ask any serious questions.

He's a straight up bully if you question his lines or tactics. He's got allll the answers allll the time, but the team still plays like crap.

Let me get this straight... Babcock is bully because he calls out stupid questions in interviews??

 

[Ryan Michaels]

Burn out? At 22 years old? Not buyin' that crap!Lad is a horse!

Every year this team is allegedly "resting for the playoffs" despite not being nearly good enough to do so, what we don't want home ice? I don't really care about the ice time thing as much as others but the burnout excuse is BS, how many times do these people need to be reminded that Matthews didn't see an icetime bump in game 7? Did Nathan MacKinnon burn out after 22 minutes a night and a 99 point regular season last year or was he a monster in the playoffs? Are you happy to be paying Matthews like he is a McDavid level franchise player and deploying him like an average first liner? Do you think it was good to let him go into contract negotiations with per/60 point and even strength numbers at his disposal that suggested he was nearly McDavid tier instead of playing him the extra minutes to find out if he was? He either paces 100+ points and gets paid as he did or he doesn't see a bump and losses leverage.

I'm fine with Matthews ice time IF Babcock will do what he did last night and take off the reigns when the situation calls for it, but based on his comments, his history and the fact that he wasn't working with a healthy team yesterday, I highly doubt he will.

 

[supermann_98]

Let me get this straight... Babcock is bully because he calls out stupid questions in interviews??

If you're gonna sit there and assume all the questions are stupid ... then perhaps it is you that is stupid.

He picks on anyone with the nerve to question ANY coaching decision. Why else does the shill Paul Hendrick always get the first question? Because Babs knows it's gonna be a softball question a 4th grader would ask.

 

[Ryan Michaels]

What makes you think that Babcock doesn't like it when we direct 57 shots on net?

What makes you think Babcock wants no event hockey and to play for overtime, even against inferior teams?

LA Kings game comments, basically everything he's ever done or said, his teams, how they play, the players he likes, like I don't see how you think this is in dispute? "Play for OT against inferior teams" might be slightly hyperbolic but it's genuinely difficult to tell.

Edit: and again that this team looked like it did last night when and only when they went down by 3, they're clearly capable, do the players just never try or is that not how they're supposed to play?

 

[MyBudJT]

If you're gonna sit there and assume all the questions are stupid ... then perhaps it is you that is stupid.

He picks on anyone with the nerve to question ANY coaching decision. Why else does the shill Paul Hendrick always get the first question? Because Babs knows it's gonna be a softball question a 4th grader would ask.

Well, at least show an example of Babcock being a "bully"...

 

[MyBudJT]

LA Kings game comments, basically everything he's ever done or said, his teams, how they play, the players he likes, like I don't see how you think this is in dispute? "Play for OT against inferior teams" might be slightly hyperbolic but it's genuinely difficult to tell.

Edit: and again that this team looked like it did last night when and only when they went down by 3, they're clearly capable, do the players just never try or is that not how they're supposed to play?

The fact that you're not coming out with direct examples is telling. Just complaining for the sake of complaining.

 

[hector morrison]

Similarly I highly doubt there's a single tear shed in the leafs dressing room when he's canned.

I personally can't even watch his post game interviews and game day scrums. It's a generic Paul Hendrick canned question followed by media shills too afraid of him or losing their credentials to ask any serious questions.

He's a straight up bully if you question his lines or tactics. He's got allll the answers allll the time, but the team still plays like crap.

I think we've all heard enough...I hope Shanny has as well. I'd say Dubas,but if he had the power to can Babs ,I think he would have! And i doubt we would ever hear the truth on that !

 

[Ryan Michaels]

The fact that you're not coming out with direct examples is telling. Just complaining for the sake of complaining.

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, how do his comments on the LA game not indicate how he wants this team to play? Moreover it is a direct example that's simple not disputable. Debate the content of my post don't be intentionally obtuse and claim none exists, it's a tired non-argument to try and aggravate.

 

[MyBudJT]

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, how do his comments on the LA game not indicate how he wants this team to play? Moreover it is a direct example that's simple not disputable. Debate the content of my post don't be intentionally obtuse and claim none exists, it's a tired non-argument to try and aggravate.

What comments did he make, and what did they mean?

Like I said in my post, you responded with nothing of substance to debate about.

 

[hector morrison]

Every year this team is allegedly "resting for the playoffs" despite not being nearly good enough to do so, what we don't want home ice? I don't really care about the ice time thing as much as others but the burnout excuse is BS, how many times do these people need to be reminded that Matthews didn't see an icetime bump in game 7? Did Nathan MacKinnon burn out after 22 minutes a night and a 99 point regular season last year or was he a monster in the playoffs? Are you happy to be paying Matthews like he is a McDavid level franchise player and deploying him like an average first liner? Do you think it was good to let him go into contract negotiations with per/60 point and even strength numbers at his disposal that suggested he was nearly McDavid tier instead of playing him the extra minutes to find out if he was? He either paces 100+ points and gets paid as he did or he doesn't see a bump and losses leverage.

I'm fine with Matthews ice time IF Babcock will do what he did last night and take off the reigns when the situation calls for it, but based on his comments, his history and the fact that he wasn't working with a healthy team yesterday, I highly doubt he will.

I agree. I don't think the ice-time for the star players is important,if you're winning the game. So at the end of the nite ,if you lost by a goal and your star player got 17 /18 minutes(for whatever crazy Babcockamamy reason)then I have to ask ...why ?

 

[hector morrison]

I really don't think Babcock's ice time decisions are solely his decisions. I really think our medical and sports science teams have considerable input into this as well.

Oh ,I'm sure babs will seek out any info that backs up his cockamamy ways. I'm sure there are are people getting paid to study the effects of a skater gliding versus taking unnecessary strides...etc....likely on a government grant to compile data.

 

[Ryan Michaels]

What comments did he make, and what did they mean?

Like I said in my post, you responded with nothing of substance to debate about.

You know what I'm talking about, the LA game he said "I thought it was beautiful," you know what I'm talking about when I point to the offensive anomaly of last night, those are examples, you can tell me they're bad ones but don't say they're not examples, because they are. How you think Babcock doesn't want low-no-event hockey is beyond me, its like his M.O., at least come in and talk about how he wants the team to tighten up defensively, that's a real argument, you can take it if you want. I come in with a pretty universally acknowledged premise I'm not wasting my time writing you an essay about it.

Why did he say the L.A. game was beautiful? Why do they never play like last night? He likes low event hockey, this is not news and you're wasting my time.

 

[MyBudJT]

Oh ,I'm sure babs will seek out any info that backs up his cockamamy ways. I'm sure there are are people getting paid to study the effects of a skater gliding versus taking unnecessary strides...etc....likely on a government grant to compile data.

Well, the reason why I have the opinion that I posted is because I met someone on the Leafs' medical staff this summer, and when asked about Babcock, he said he's asking about players all the time about their availability and stuff. We never talked about specifics (he was very political when talking about the Leafs), but based on what I've heard, you've got to think he's in constant communication with folks throughout the organization.

 

[MyBudJT]

You know what I'm talking about, the LA game he said "I thought it was beautiful," you know what I'm talking about when I point to the offensive anomaly of last night, those are examples, you can tell me they're bad ones but don't say they're not examples, because they are. How you think Babcock doesn't want low-no-event hockey is beyond me, its like his M.O., at least come in and talk about how he wants the team to tighten up defensively, that's a real argument, you can take it if you want. I come in with a pretty universally acknowledged premise I'm not wasting my time writing you an essay about it.

Why did he say the L.A. game was beautiful? Why do they never play like last night? He likes low event hockey, this is not news and you're wasting my time.

Well, he liked that they played a defensively responsible game.... whats wrong with that? Babcock went on air the next day to further explain that comment, and it was completely reasonable. He's not trying to stifle the Leafs' offense, but he wants them to play an all-around game. Ultimately that is what successful teams do.