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[Pinkfloyd]

And you can go watch figure skating too.

I think team/locker-room culture has a very direct effect on winning. Specifically in the playoffs, when the going gets tough. This may be a good explanation as to why these Sharks under achieve so often. Intensity, competitiveness, etc.

Well, in the playoffs, those guys aren't in the lineup or shouldn't be in the lineup so it's hard to change that dynamic for the playoffs if they aren't on the ice. They certainly don't need it during the season since that time isn't the problem. You'd think they'd want to get players that are playoff hardened if they were worried about toughness for the playoffs.

 

[dwood16]

Well, in the playoffs, those guys aren't in the lineup or shouldn't be in the lineup so it's hard to change that dynamic for the playoffs if they aren't on the ice. They certainly don't need it during the season since that time isn't the problem. You'd think they'd want to get players that are playoff hardened if they were worried about toughness for the playoffs.

This is super obvious but ...They would have already changed the culture of the team. Instilling some toughness and whatnot.

And wasn't Mike Brown in the lineup? and wasn't he quite effective?

 

[Pinkfloyd]

This is super obvious but ...They would have already changed the culture of the team. Instilling some toughness and whatnot.

And wasn't Mike Brown in the lineup? and wasn't he quite effective?

You think this is the first year they've added a person like this, proceeded through the regular season, and then still failed in the playoffs? The culture doesn't change by bringing in goons. It changes by moving a core piece out or they break through.

Yes, Brown was in the lineup...no, he was not effective.

 

[Coily]

You think this is the first year they've added a person like this, proceeded through the regular season, and then still failed in the playoffs? The culture doesn't change by bringing in goons. It changes by moving a core piece out or they break through.

Yes, Brown was in the lineup...no, he was not effective.

He was pretty god damn effective in games 1-3.

 

[210]

If the Sharks feel they need an enforcer to protect a couple younger players in SJ, I would imagine they'd need the same for Worcester, where most of the younger players will be anyway.

We have one in Worcester, Jimmy Bonneau. And he's one of the best.

 

[dwood16]

We have one in Worcester, Jimmy Bonneau. And he's one of the best.

Yeah, I'd almost rather see Bonneau than John Scott in San Jose.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

He was pretty god damn effective in games 1-3.

I would disagree. He had three moments that was surrounded by ineffectiveness.

 

[SactoShark]

We have one in Worcester, Jimmy Bonneau. And he's one of the best.

SJ had one in Mike Brown. They got another in Scott.

I'm not trying to justify any of this. But it seems to be their line of thinking.

 

[matt trick]

We have one in Worcester, Jimmy Bonneau. And he's one of the best.

How would he handle fighting guys like Brown or Scott?

Also, does he have talent, or is he more like a guy like Scott?

 

[210]

How would he handle fighting guys like Brown or Scott?

Also, does he have talent, or is he more like a guy like Scott?

I think he'd do well against Brown and most of the legit fighters in the NHL. Scott is a sideshow act, so I'm not sure Bonneau would fight him unless he was "forced" to.

No one will ever mistake Bonneau for a top six player, but while he doesn't score many goals when he's on the ice the opponents don't score many either. Bonneau has very good hockey sense, maybe even borderline "great". He just doesn't have the talent to take advantage of it.

Let's put it this way, when Bonneau is on the ice for Worcester I know I'm not going to see him take an idiot penalty and I'm confident the opponent isn't going to have an easy chance scoring chance because of him.

 

[210]

I just looked this up...in 125 games for Worcester Bonneau has been in the penalty box for a goal against four times. He's 5-6-11 (-1) over that span.

Not bad for a guy that's predominantly a fighter.

 

[oyster]

This is super obvious but ...They would have already changed the culture of the team. Instilling some toughness and whatnot.

And wasn't Mike Brown in the lineup? and wasn't he quite effective?

Team got outshot with him on the ice more than every other player on the team excluding Broken Havlat.

I agree that the culture needs a change, but guys like Brown and Scott are pretty peripheral to the team. They're going to be on the ice for less than 10 minutes and aren't in leadership roles. If this team is going to have a real, meaningful culture change it's going to need to come from the top. Things were different in Nolan era because he was a top player and the captain. I know letters on jerseys are overblown, but at the very least he's at least playing significant minutes every game. The current fighters on this team aren't going to play enough minutes to make a significant impact to the on-ice product.

For better or worse this team doesn't see significant culture change until Thornton and Marleau are gone, IMO.

 

[ThorNton Apologist]

I just looked this up...in 125 games for Worcester Bonneau has been in the penalty box for a goal against four times. He's 5-6-11 (-1) over that span.

Not bad for a guy that's predominantly a fighter.

I've always liked Bonneau. Great fighter for an AHL heavyweight despite not having real "heavyweight" size. Would rather have him than Scott in SJ. Although I think playing against Scott (goon) would be a lot scarier than Bonneau.

 

[tahoesharksfan]

but guys like Brown and Scott are pretty peripheral to the team.

Exactly, so WTF? They don't add anything therefore they subtract. Their signing has nothing to do with cultural change.

Still waiting for DW to do anything meaningful this off season. If we stick with the same basic team we'll get the same basic results.

 

[Sleepy]

I would disagree. He had three moments that was surrounded by ineffectiveness.

This. His effectiveness was directly related to the health of Torres' knee.

 

[Coily]

I would disagree. He had three moments that was surrounded by ineffectiveness.

for a 4th line player I'd take that. Better than the top line doing nothing almost all series.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

for a 4th line player I'd take that. Better than the top line doing nothing almost all series.

You still have 71 other shifts over six games where they are ineffective and getting pinned into their own zone for a very large majority of their time on the ice. Who do you think pops on after their shifts and has an uphill battle damn near every time? The 4th line is part of the reason why the top line was doing nothing almost the entire series. It's hard enough to beat the Kings at even strength when the playing field is even. Then add that you have to start in your own zone damn near every time and you're playing a losing game.