Confirmed with Link: Michael McNiven traded to Flames for future considerations

[Habs]

Next trade: Chiarot to Calgary for their 2023 first, top 10 protected and a 3rd rounder.

Does our new GM team know there are 28 other teams we can make trades with?

 

[Runner77]

Does our new GM team know there are 28 other teams we can make trades with?

Twas tongue in cheek obviously, but a good return is a good return, no matter where it comes from.

 

[Habs]

Twas tongue in cheek obviously, but a good return is a good return, no matter where it comes from.

Those futures tho.... was McNiven that bad? haven't followed him

 

[Steve Shutt]

Looking at our Goalie depth chart:

• Price
• Allen
• Montembeault
• Hammond
• Primeau
• Poulin

and the fact that McNiven had the option to block a move to the ECHL because he's no longer on his entry level contract would have meant a pretty busy crease in Laval especially if Allen/Price get healthy.

Plus Prospects

• Dichow
• Dobes
• Vrbetic

All 3 prospects are having solid seasons and I imagine have passed McNiven in value within the organization

I'm also guessing there might be a few NCAA goalies who are wrapping up their seasons that Montreal might have interest in signing.

Makes sense to dump the contract and give us flexibility approaching the deadline

 

[MXD]

Those futures tho.... was McNiven that bad? haven't followed him

... Well, the free contract spot at this point is probably worth more than whatever we could realistically get for McNiven.

 

[MXD]

Looking at our Goalie depth chart:

• Price
• Allen
• Montembeault
• Hammond
• Primeau
• Poulin

I don't think Poulin is on our depth chart per se.

 

[Runner77]

Those futures tho.... was McNiven that bad? haven't followed him

Sry, was referring to a Chiarot move. From what I’ve been reading in here, McNiven’s contract room was more valuable than McNiven. He’s the proverbial mediocre depth guy. Nothing to see here.

 

[Steve Shutt]

I don't think Poulin is on our depth chart per se.

Good point - he's signed by Laval not Montreal. I'm guessing it would be easy to add him and could happen the way he's playing

 

[LastWordArmy]

More timing. Every time he needed playing time the habs had someone else who needed ice time and gave it to the other guy. The habs should have started the ECHL team years ago. Every time he was on a hot streak he had to sit on the bench for 3 weeks. He's not playing well now, but he wasn't given the opportunity that was given to the other guys who have all busted now, with the possible exception of Primeau.

Its not timing when hes never really played well as a pro. Yeah he had good games here and there but nothing has ever been sustained.

Its pro hockey... and he never earned ice time.

 

[LastWordArmy]

Those futures tho.... was McNiven that bad? haven't followed him

GAA over 4... 869 save percentage in the AHL this year.

He wasnt getting a qualifying offer this summer.

Clearing his contract is honestly the best the team could do.

 

[LastWordArmy]

Good point - he's signed by Laval not Montreal. I'm guessing it would be easy to add him and could happen the way he's playing

Hes 31 and Allen is coming back soon. Dont see him getting an NHL look. Not worth the contract slot when you can use it for someone younger.

Poulin is fine to stay in the AHL on an AHL contract.

 

[La Grosse Tendresse]

Good riddance, all he did was moan that he should be getting all the playing time because he's best goalie in the world.

He never showed anything except an ego.

 

[dcyhabs]

Its not timing when hes never really played well as a pro. Yeah he had good games here and there but nothing has ever been sustained.

Its pro hockey... and he never earned ice time.

My memory is pretty bad, so I may be way off, but I remember it differently. The last year or two he hasn't been great but a while back he had stretches where he outplayed the other goalies, but the other guys, now gone, got the ice time. Not crazy decisions or anything, but the other guys didn't make it, so it's harder to justify punting his development. It's not like he should have played over the other guys, at least not most of the time, but he should have been playing in the ECHL or something instead of getting a game every 3 weeks as the third goalie.

Too late now. I saw some of his games the last year or two and where he used to be focused under pressure he just doesn't seem to be able to make the stop when it's needed anymore. Could just be the small subset of games I saw, too. Unlikely he would have made it but being sat whenever he played well really forced it.

 

[Walrus26]

It's a nice way to say traded for nothing

So why not just call it a Free Transfer (á la Football here in Blighty) and have done with it?

 

[WhoAreYou99]

A backup AHLer who people barely care about gets traded, and people in the Montreal forums on HFboards are okay with it?

What's happened to this forum since the Brandon Baddock trade?

 

[Habs13]

Went to the Calgary board to see what they thought of the trade... found no mention of it. Poor McNiven.

 

[Habs13]

So why not just call it a Free Transfer (á la Football here in Blighty) and have done with it?

I don't think it's allowed to gift a player on a free transfer so this is basically a walk-around.

 

[Hins77]

What is future considerations? What is the timeline? Is it sure we gonna get something later? I mean, i don’t remember a team received a pick like one year after the trade be made. Im just wondering what is those « future consideration » concretely?

 

[Runner77]

Went to the Calgary board to see what they thought of the trade... found no mention of it. Poor McNiven.

I’m the one who posted it there when it broke. It’s in their Stockton AHL thread. They’re at a loss as to why he was acquired.

 

[LastWordArmy]

So why not just call it a Free Transfer (á la Football here in Blighty) and have done with it?

Because a free transfer is different. A free transfer is the same as signing a UFA.

The transfer is free because the players contract expired.

 

[JustAHabFan]

What is future considerations? What is the timeline? Is it sure we gonna get something later? I mean, i don’t remember a team received a pick like one year after the trade be made. Im just wondering what is those « future consideration » concretely?

I had the same question. Does 'Future Consideration' means a 7th round pick at some point?

 

[WeThreeKings]

I had the same question. Does 'Future Consideration' means a 7th round pick at some point?

It can literally be anything.. like the Flames agree to a minor league swap later on when the Habs need depth on defense or something.

 

[LaP]

What is future considerations? What is the timeline? Is it sure we gonna get something later? I mean, i don’t remember a team received a pick like one year after the trade be made. Im just wondering what is those « future consideration » concretely?

Basically a future consideration means the teams are not sure what is the value of the trade so they agree to decide later on (or they want to decide later on for other reasons). I think the Rob Blake deal had future considerations and/or players to be named later that eventually became a good return.

But very often it's going to be a 7th round pick or an AHL player. Basically KH probably wanted to free a contract spot and preferred to have the player named later when he wont need contract spot. Unless McNiven develops into a number 1 next year it will be a AHL player when KH will need one to fix some AHL depth problem.

 

[Schwang]

Looking at our Goalie depth chart:

• Price
• Allen
• Montembeault
• Hammond
• Primeau
• Poulin

and the fact that McNiven had the option to block a move to the ECHL because he's no longer on his entry level contract would have meant a pretty busy crease in Laval especially if Allen/Price get healthy.

Plus Prospects

• Dichow
• Dobes
• Vrbetic

All 3 prospects are having solid seasons and I imagine have passed McNiven in value within the organization

I'm also guessing there might be a few NCAA goalies who are wrapping up their seasons that Montreal might have interest in signing.

Makes sense to dump the contract and give us flexibility approaching the deadline

You're counting Price?

 

[Schwang]

I saw an article with a headline saying the Habs traded " top goalie prospect McNiven ". I laughed quite hard, considering he was 7th on the pro depth chart.