Speculation: Mega-Thread: Jack Eichel, Part II

[LongWayDown37]

Just saw the Eichel for Kuznetsov and Orlov. My guess is that Buffalo being forced to trade Eichel would want start over pieces. That said, Orlov was disrespected in ways I understand but would like to set the record straight. Orlov is an elite, minutes leading, shutdown pair, pp qb defenseman. He is a dynamic player. Its easily missed by fans outside of Washington that his role doesn't allow for much of that to be shown.

Were Orlov playing on a team that could use a left shot defenseman at the top of their pp1, Orlov would be an all star. As it happens he plays for the Capitals who cant use a left shot player in that spot. He has been on the shutdown pair in recent years where its always defense first. When he was not his evp/60 was near the top of the league. Because of Ovechkin Orlov just doesn't get to show what he can do very often. But a couple of quick video examples.

You have a different definition of elite than most people. Doesn't mean he's not good, but elite is something different.

 

[txpd]

You have a different definition of elite than most people. Doesn't mean he's not good, but elite is something different.

Maybe. I consider any legit 1d elite. On a team other than Washington he could fill the 1D on any team without one already and be successful

 

[SnizzNasty88]

Some man literally just called Orlov elite

Jesus Christ, Kuznetsov and Orlov is not close for Eichel.

 

[SnizzNasty88]

Maybe. I consider any legit 1d elite. On a team other than Washington he could fill the 1D on any team without one already and be successful

You consider Orlov elite because he plays for your favourite team...my god what a brutal take though.

 

[txpd]

You consider Orlov elite because he plays for your favourite team...my god what a brutal take though.

Where the f*** did I say that? What I am saying is that he his misused in Washington and were he traded to a team that could use the full range of his skills that he would be a quality top pair defenseman. But yea, lets see how much support you get for your take

 

[txpd]

Jesus Christ, Kuznetsov and Orlov is not close for Eichel.

Where did i say it was a good trade? I simply said that Orlov is better than people know. Put him on a pp1 and his numbers would impress

 

[SnizzNasty88]

Where the f*** did I say that? What I am saying is that he his misused in Washington and were he traded to a team that could use the full range of his skills that he would be a quality top pair defenseman. But yea, lets see how much support you get for your take

You said above that you consider any 1D elite and that Orlov would be a 1D on some teams, therefore you’re saying you consider Orlov to be elite and he’s far from elite let me tell you. Take the goggles off.

 

[txpd]

You said above that you consider any 1D elite and that Orlov would be a 1D on some teams, therefore you’re saying you consider Orlov to be elite and he’s far from elite let me tell you. Take the goggles off.

You know best bud. I have watched almost every game he has played but you know better. I bow at your feet

 

[Dr Quincy]

Maybe. I consider any legit 1d elite. On a team other than Washington he could fill the 1D on any team without one already and be successful

This is so far from reality that it's making my brain hurt.

 

[LongWayDown37]

Where the f*** did I say that? What I am saying is that he his misused in Washington and were he traded to a team that could use the full range of his skills that he would be a quality top pair defenseman. But yea, lets see how much support you get for your take

I support his take.

 

[SnizzNasty88]

You know best bud. I have watched almost every game he has played but you know better. I bow at your feet

I’m not saying I know better you dustball, I actually quite like his game. He can score a highlight reel goal or two, has a nice clapper, he can skate and he’s a decent defender, but he’s not close to elite or a 1D, he’s a solid second pairing defenseman, maybe a #3 on a good team. That’s like me saying Muzzin is elite when really he’s a solid #3.

 

[Connor]

Eichel only gets traded if he requests a trade.

IF he does/did request a trade it will be to at least to another playoff team and like in the western conference.

I don't know how many teams would have the pieces without altering their team by a huge amount. I think it would involve multiple roster players and prospects/picks.

 

[johnsic]

Just saw the Eichel for Kuznetsov and Orlov. My guess is that Buffalo being forced to trade Eichel would want start over pieces. That said, Orlov was disrespected in ways I understand but would like to set the record straight. Orlov is an elite, minutes leading, shutdown pair, pp qb defenseman. He is a dynamic player. Its easily missed by fans outside of Washington that his role doesn't allow for much of that to be shown.

Were Orlov playing on a team that could use a left shot defenseman at the top of their pp1, Orlov would be an all star. As it happens he plays for the Capitals who cant use a left shot player in that spot. He has been on the shutdown pair in recent years where its always defense first. When he was not his evp/60 was near the top of the league. Because of Ovechkin Orlov just doesn't get to show what he can do very often. But a couple of quick video examples.

Yeah Orlov is awesome and I can't believe he is so underrated. Buffalo would be way better team with Dahlin-Orlov as 1st dman pair and Kuznetsov centering Skinner.

 

[frapp10]

8th overall + Kotkaniemi + Domi for Eichel

 

[LongWayDown37]

8th overall + Kotkaniemi + Domi for Eichel

No

 

[Fatass]

8th overall + Kotkaniemi + Domi for Eichel

Okay, but the Habs must take Skinner (at full contract) too.

 

[Sweet Lou]

Konecny, Voracek, Frost/Farabee/Patrick, 2020 1st, 2021 1st for Eichel

 

[Fatass]

Konecny, Voracek, Frost/Farabee/Patrick, 2020 1st, 2021 1st for Eichel

Looks like a good start, but Flyers take Skinner too.

 

[Sweet Lou]

Looks like a good start, but Flyers take Skinner too.

Yeah I get that but I don't know if they could take on an extra 6 mil in salary. Maybe with Gostisbehere going the other way as well?

 

[Fatass]

Yeah I get that but I don't know if they could take on an extra 6 mil in salary. Maybe with Gostisbehere going the other way as well?

Would the Sabres want a soft guy like Ghost? They trade Eichel and clearly they’re rebuilding. They might prefer a tougher to play against young D man.

 

[KrisBeKreame]

Not advocating it but wondering what a Barzal - Eichel trade could look like. Think it could be similar to the Lafontaine - Turgeon trade.

 

[Morbo]

Maybe. I consider any legit 1d elite. On a team other than Washington he could fill the 1D on any team without one already and be successful

you don't really think the Sabres would take an offer like that though do you?

 

[kilowatt]

Hypothetically, if the Kings win the lottery and pick first, what might a deal look like between LA and Buffalo?

 

[Scintillating10]

Ill start.

Why a mega thread and why all these incessant Eichel trade offers? Did I miss something? As far as I can tell he's not for trade, and is probably a top 5 overall asset in terms of value. Why exactly is Buffalo trading him?

Aren't they in financial crunch? The natural gas business has gone bottom up

 

[truthbluth]

Aren't they in financial crunch? The natural gas business has gone bottom up

They sold most of their gas holding in 2011 for about 4 billion dollars. While they do still have holdings, they don’t carry a lot of debt, so no, they aren’t in a financial “crunch”. But they have spent wildly both on the Sabres and on a variety of Buffalo based businesses, and they realize now that they won’t be able to afford losing $40 million/year forever. I’m not a Pegula fan, but my opinion is their wild overspending on everything around the Sabres has fostered a culture of exemption with no accountability. Their house sweeping is more about wanting to instill a sense of responsibility at every level of the organization, and secondarily about trying to stop hemorrhaging cash.