oildrop
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These updates just seem to be the same things every day now, they just change the dates and times. Common guys, please get it done soon. We can't take much more of this!
The Macho Man said:33 is old for a proffessional athlete.
I didn't say they are "done". I didn't say "finished". I didn't say "useless".
These days a player who is 27 or 28 and who has been in the league for a few years is a veteran. At 33 you are not only a veteran but the end of your career is likely somewhere in the horizon. You think about it, getting one last big contract, or joining a contender to gain that elusive championship ring.
Nolan, in particular due to his style of play, ware and tear, and consequent injuries, is old at 33. He is an old 33. Look at Team Canada. They put him on the SLC team in 2002. And what since then? They decided to go "young" for the WC of hockey in 2004. They didn't even consider him for the World championships. They took "youngsters" like Morrow ahead of Nolan. They took "stars" like Fischer and Maltby ahead of him.
Nolan is clearly not what he once was. He is not the same player he was in 2001 or 2002. He certainly isn't a young player. So what does that leave us with?
What's another 2-3 weeks?oildrop said:These updates just seem to be the same things every day now, they just change the dates and times. Common guys, please get it done soon. We can't take much more of this!
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Beukeboom Fan said:So you are basing your arguement on Owen Nolan? How about guys like Mark Messier that was leading the Rangers to the Cup when he was 33. Or guys like Brian Leetch, Ray Bourque, Scott Stevens, Al McInnis and Chris Chelios who were all playing at a Norris Trophy candidate level when they were 35-40.
With modern training techniques many players stay in their prime until their mid-late 30's. Of course, some players age less gracefully than others, especially "power forwards".
AXN said:That's all? You can't possibly meet for 11 hours on Friday and tell me that there is no progress. What are they doing starring at each other?
AXN said:That's all? You can't possibly meet for 11 hours on Friday and tell me that there is no progress. What are they doing starring at each other?
Yeah, I believe that the NHL and NHLPA have yet to comment.Bruwinz37 said:Where in that article did it say there was no progress?
Sakuuuuu said:It says both sides had "little to say." Take it for what it's worth.
Bruwinz37 said:As a rule most players decline after they turn 31. Even the guys you mentioned all had their best years before 31 even if they had great years well into their 30s/40s. They still declined, but you are talking about this generations greatest players on D so they still dominated.
No one is saying players can't be productive after 31, but their best years are *almost* always before then.
Beukeboom Fan said:Examples are the Av's adding a Rob Blake or the Wings from adding Derian Hatcher and Robert Lang from teams that couldn't afford to pay what someone else could. Does it make sense to anyone that the Wing's budget was based on them making the Stanley cup final's every year?
Beukeboom Fan said:I'll disagree, especially with defenseman. Bourque and Chelios won the Norris trophy when they were 34, and Big Al won when he was 36.
Would you consider Joe Sakic's production over the last 4 years to not be among his best? Or Stevie Y from 31-36?
I agree that all of those guys are elite level players, and they tend to age more gracefully than less skilled players.
Bruwinz37 said:Where in that article did it say there was no progress?
Beukeboom Fan said:So you are basing your arguement on Owen Nolan? How about guys like Mark Messier that was leading the Rangers to the Cup when he was 33. Or guys like Brian Leetch, Ray Bourque, Scott Stevens, Al McInnis and Chris Chelios who were all playing at a Norris Trophy candidate level when they were 35-40.
With modern training techniques many players stay in their prime until their mid-late 30's. Of course, some players age less gracefully than others, especially "power forwards".
The Macho Man said:Article says they continued going over accounting issues. They hope to move on to a "myriad of other CBA related issues" next week. That's good. Suggests they've solved the whole accounting "issue". Guess it means they will talk about rokkie caps and QO and UFA ages and such next. It's progressing. They always said "alot of work left to be done.
The Macho Man said:Yeah. This was about Nolan. Not those guys. And notice that every guy you mentioned is a D. And notice every guy you mentioned is VERY likely headed for the Hall of Fame at some point. Nolan is not and most players are not. There are of course exceptions. But don't tell me you'd take a 33 year old Bourque over a 28 year old Bourque.