FLYLine4LIFE said:Optimism chart:
1-10 im at 11!!!
The Messenger said:I think the good news we can take from this is that the leaks to the public are coming out with some accuracy attached to their merits to the actual meeting .. This is not just to sell papers ..IMO
handtrick said:we should take a pool about who gets officially dumped first and when......Bettman or Goodenow...
I'll take Goodenow on July 15th......
I'm not sure Bettman did anything the owners didn't want him to do. In fact, it looks like he did his job damn well in terms of the lockout.incawg said:Goodenow for sure. Bettman just won't have his contract renewed.
incawg said:Goodenow for sure. Bettman just won't have his contract renewed.
WVpens said:I'm not sure Bettman did anything the owners didn't want him to do. In fact, it looks like he did his job damn well in terms of the lockout.
The NHLPA hate him as he is the opponent .. If you are a partnership with owners and you want healing to begin then getting Bettman replaced and putting in a new guy helps that process is the theory being floated in the papers ..Malo said:why won't bettman have his contact renewed? he's done everything he said he was going to do for the owners. he's the only reason their in the spot they are in now. goodenow should be gone for sure, he hasn't gotten anything he said he would
hubofhockey said:In defense of the industry where I''ve made my livin' for over 30 years:
I'm sure there are examples, but very few, where papers have made things up just to sell papers. But only a fool would accept that tired cliche as a true underpinning of the biz.
Think about it: if papers routinely made things up, just to sell papers, how would vox populi interpret that? Answer: in very short order, the public would grow tired of being taken as fools, and stop buying the paper. Even more important--because it's not always just about you, dear reader--advertisters would abandon the paper. Again think: what business, big or large, would want to advertise in a product that the buying public believes is a total joke?
So, in terms of mainstream press...yes, we have our share of nitwits, just as in every walk of life and career path (think: police, attorney, judges, doctors, just to name a few). But overall, as a media industry (the only one) that has lasted centuries, newspapers USUALLY try to get it right, try to be honorable, and most of all, try NOT to cheat the public by making it up.
So, I respectfully suggest, choose your individual nitwits (writers) and ignore them, and choose your preferred papers, and read those. But don't look at the newspaper industry and think, even for a second, that the underlying motivation is to print slop for the sake of getting a one-day bump in circulation, or a quick mention on FAN radio. Absurd.
thanks, kpd/hoh
hubofhockey said:Even more important--because it's not always just about you, dear reader--advertisters would abandon the paper. Again think: what business, big or large, would want to advertise in a product that the buying public believes is a total joke?
WVpens said:I'm not sure Bettman did anything the owners didn't want him to do. In fact, it looks like he did his job damn well in terms of the lockout.
The Messenger said:The NHLPA hate him as he is the opponent .. If you are a partnership with owners and you want healing to begin then getting Bettman replaced and putting in a new guy helps that process is the theory being floated in the papers ..
WVpens said:I'm not sure Bettman did anything the owners didn't want him to do. In fact, it looks like he did his job damn well in terms of the lockout.
Marconius said:I think you just ended up proving the opposite point. You're right when you say companies would be scared away from advertising in a joke paper, but your doubly-right when you say that the newspapers holds the esteem of its advertisers as very important. Even more important, dare I say, then the truth at times.
The era of responsible media is over (if it ever truly existed), one only has to look at the absolute failure of the American media during the Iraqi invasion as evidence of this. The media, newspapers included, pay homage to the almighty dollar, a dollar usually in the grubby hands of someone with his/her/its own agenda
handtrick said:That leads me to a long-standing question......when we read the work of the 'shills'....be it of the league or of the NHLPA....should we assume:
-that they receive a monetary reward for their stance
-assume a stance supporting the majority of their sources
-assume a stance directed by the paper in general
-truly see things altruistically through the prism of the writings
handtrick said:Any insight into the who's who list in the above referenced tsn.ca article involving who was part of the "small group" and who was relegated to the "large group" sessions tomorrow:
The NHLPA roster once again Thursday featured Saskin, outside counsel John McCambridge, associate counsel Ian Pulver, players' executive committee president Trevor Linden and vice-president Vincent Damphousse as well as two union financial people. The league was represented by chief legal officer Bill Daly, board of governors chairman Harley Hotchkiss of the Calgary Flames, Boston Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs, outside counsel Bob Batterman, NHL general counsel David Zimmerman, lawyer Shep Goldfein and other financial figures.
Once the small group is done Friday morning, the larger group from the league will feature Bettman, Daly, Goldfein, Zimmerman, Hotchkiss, Jacobs, director of hockey operations Colin Campbell, New Jersey Devils CEO and GM Lou Lamoriello and Nashville Predators owner Craig Leipold.
The NHLPA bigger group will have Goodenow, Saskin, Pulver, director of business relations Mike Gartner, McCambridge, Detroit Red Wings veteran player Brendan Shanahan, and the players' executive committee: Linden, Damphousse, Bill Guerin, Daniel Alfredsson, Arturs Irbe, Trent Klatt and Bob Boughner.
Malo said:i find it funny that Boston Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs is in the small group, i though they couldn't make any progress with him Jacobs there?
Who do you think is pinning Linden on the ground and pressing his knee between Linden shoulder blades during the meetings to help move them along as progress made ??Malo said:i find it funny that Boston Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs is in the small group, i though they couldn't make any progress with him Jacobs there?
handtrick said:Me too....I would have expected Lou Lamoriello instead of Jacobs in the small group for anything positive to be occuring....I am in fact shocked by it.
Can we assume that Jacobs is "the voice of the owner hardliners"?
hubofhockey said:Good question. And loaded, too.
At issue here, in order to answer, is the word shill--one man's shill is another man's hero. It's not just the prism of the writer, that of the reader(s), too. Agreed?
But if we were to mutually agree upon someone we believed is a shill, I believe it comes down usually to one of two things.
1. The shill truly believes what he/she is writing. His or her passion, or belief, has gotten in the way of offering an objective take, or a take with balance. The reader may believe the writer is warped, or on the take, but the writer actually sees the world this way (on a particular issue). Frankly, I've seen a lot of posts on HFboards that read this way. The JO biz should be above that standard, but....
or
2. The writer is cultivating one side for a payback, not in terms of money, but in terms of stories to be harvested at a later date -- be it days, weeks or months. or years. Seen it a million times. I've also seen that same writer go to harvest the stories, for good deeds rendered, only to be shutout. Played for a fool. Very sad, but it happens.
kpd/hoh