They need to play him more.
31 games in and he's only played 5 games.
Lol @ people using wins to determine if a goalie is good or not.
I dont think I have seen Babcock ever blame the goalie whether its Andy or Mac.If the Leafs had lost last night, Babcock wouldn't have blamed Mac one little bit.
They need to play him more.
31 games in and he's only played 5 games.
Lol @ people using wins to determine if a goalie is good or not.
I dont think I have seen Babcock ever blame the goalie whether its Andy or Mac.
A few back-to-backs coming up to finish off this month so we'll see a bit more of him soon than we are used to I thinkThey need to play him more.
31 games in and he's only played 5 games.
Lol @ people using wins to determine if a goalie is good or not.
Oh okay. Guess I missed it.i think he's called out Andy a few times for not being good enough.
Hey I'm pretty sure you've been warned before . Don't go confusing their hate with facts and reality !60 goalies have played more than 15 games combined this year and last.
Here's how the "backups" rank:
1.Dell: 31gms, .933sv%
2.Nilsson: 36gms, .922sv%
3.Raanta: 44gms, .921sv%
4.McElhinney: 26gms, .919sv%
5.Hutton: 37gms, .918sv%
6.Grubauer: 34gms, .916sv%
7.Saros: 27gms, .916sv%
8.Kuemper: 27gms, .914sv%
9.Condon: 51gms, .912sv%
10.Budaj: 65gms, .912sv%
11.Khudobin: 27gms, .912sv%
12.Reimer: 59gms, .911sv%
13.Kinkaid: 36gms, .910sv%
14.Bernier: 50gms, .910sv%
15.Greiss: 65gms, .908sv%
16.Korpisalo: 20gms, .906sv%
17.Ward: 69gms, .905sv%
18.Montoya: 23gms, .905sv%
19.Johnson: 47gms, .904sv%
20.Lehtonen: 69gms, .902sv%
21.Broissoit: 19gms, .901sv%
22.Mrazek: 60gms, .899sv%
23.Domingue: 38gms, .898sv%
24.Neuvirth: 36gms, .898sv%
25.Pavelec: 15gms, .893sv%
26.Lack: 24gms, .892sv%
27.Niemi: 45gms, .886sv%
hmm looks like I'm missing a few but still, pretty good for Mackilaney.
Why don't we judge any other player on that? Is Marleau the best player we have? He's got the most wins after all. Who cares how they came to be and how large of a role he had in them, right? Or what kind of player he is now?it takes 16 wins to hoist the cup, doesn't care how you get it
The goaltender doesn't provide results. The team does. You are more likely to assess how much the goaltender can help you by looking at his performance than by how the team as a whole did.I really just look for my backup to provide me wins so we don’t miss a beat while our starter rests.
What's more important for any player? Winning. But that doesn't mean you would rather have Joel Edmundson than Erik Karlsson.one is winning, one is not. that's how the backup position is judged. i mean. at the end of the day that's what's important for the backup goalie. did you win? yes - okay did ya not, okay why not?
Well so what?
A goalie can win a game while allowing 5 goals.
Backup goalies get thrown into bad situations. Theyre disposable. If he can win more games then he loses but has a terrible sv% why does it matter?
Why don't we judge any other player on that? Is Marleau the best player we have? He's got the most wins after all. Who cares how they came to be and how large of a role he had in them, right? Or what kind of player he is now?
The goaltender doesn't provide results. The team does. You are more likely to assess how much the goaltender can help you by looking at his performance than by how the team as a whole did.
What's more important for any player? Winning. But that doesn't mean you would rather have Joel Edmundson than Erik Karlsson.
Bottom line, you acquire players to help you win. A goaltender who sucks but is bailed out by offense scoring half a dozen per game does not help you win. A goaltender who closes down the shop gives you a great chance to do it.
Disagree. Depending on our placement in the standings, Andersen will get some rest.the amount of backtobacks we have is the amount of games mcelhinney will play
possiblyDisagree. Depending on our placement in the standings, Andersen will get some rest.
because circumstances are different for each player. you know that
expectations are different for each type of player.
Super stars have an expectation that's different from middle men, which is different from the muckers etc. i don't expect a mucker to to go 50 in 50 nor do I expect an elite player to be mollified with 10points in their entire season. thus, i require my starter to be more consistent, where as I expect my backup goaltender to win and not have my starter to go in the net at all. i don't care HOW they get the win - as long as they get the win.
Why don't we judge any other player on that? Is Marleau the best player we have? He's got the most wins after all. Who cares how they came to be and how large of a role he had in them, right? Or what kind of player he is now?
no ones saying the goalie is the best player, but wins are the most important stat.
Here’s the thing though, process likely more relevant than end result when it comes to evaluating an individual player, even a goalie.
I mean, if a goalie plays like a complete sieve but his team still wins because their skaters score led like 6 goals, id hardly say the goalie deserves credit even though the team “won”. The goalie doesn’t get wins, the team does. We should expect our backup goaltender to stop an average number of pucks.
Why not push for a backup who is capable of making more saves, and thus more wins?but at the end of the day, the important thing is, is that the goalie won.
it might be extreme, the example, i'l admit, but it's not like i'm saying something so far fetched that the backup should basically just be judged on wins that i'm bonkers to think that. sieve or not, if he can stop the last shot that should be the most important thing for the backup. did we win. yes. okay.
Why not push for a backup who is capable of making more saves, and thus more wins?
I don't think it's a realistic example if you're assuming the team is the same.well the example was do you want a goalie who can make more saves but doesn't have wins, or one who can't make "saves" (but have more wins). to me, it makes no difference as long as they re capable of getting the win. and it basically stemmed from before, a lot of people here were mad that we signed McBackup becuse his numbers were trash. but he can win us the game. so what's more important. trashy numbers or the win/loss column for the backup? most in the industry (including goalie coaches etc) say wins.
well the example was do you want a goalie who can make more saves but doesn't have wins, or one who can't make "saves" (but have more wins). to me, it makes no difference as long as they re capable of getting the win. and it basically stemmed from before, a lot of people here were mad that we signed McBackup becuse his numbers were trash. but he can win us the game. so what's more important. trashy numbers or the win/loss column for the backup? most in the industry (including goalie coaches etc) say wins.