Player Discussion Max Domi - Maximus Dominatus Edition

[azcanuck]

Until last season they translated better than Domi's did... But don't let facts interrupt your lovely narrative.

And like I said at the time of the trade Domi's production will go way up and he will do good in Montreal and make fans forget AG.
Dont let that fact get in your way.

 

[azcanuck]

There is always a segment in any community that thrives on hyperbole. I think what’s really important is not to paint everyone with the same brush.

We also have a lot of passionate, analytical users who provide thought provoking material. They add so much to our discussions and offer points that quite often elude even the best of recognized sources and who frankly deserve better.

One thing I’ll assert unequivocally — if you want to avoid hyperbole and hot takes — stay away from GDTs and PGTs.

It's not so much hyperbole. In fact it's opposite. The coyotes have hyperbole fans.
It's the reflexive "another terrible MGBtrade" when a deal is made. Maybe it's MB PTSD fans have around here No matter what the guy does (he wins most trades) too many fans just want to crap on him.
But on your note about knowledgeable analytical fans yea its quite impressive to read stuff esp. about prospects. i've been impressed with your posts and many other posters.

 

[Miller Time]

And like I said at the time of the trade Domi's production will go way up and he will do good in Montreal and make fans forget AG.
Dont let that fact get in your way.

Yes, just like Galchs production will go up going to a better situation in Pitt...

Kind how it works for most team sport athletes, they do better in better situations.

 

[Miller Time]

Yet he went to arizona and the plan was to use him as center.
But quickly they realized he was AWFUL in his own zone and that plan went out the window real quick.
He was one and done in AZ .
Says a lot.
But to some stubborn Montreal fans it's still the coach's fault.

Yes, after his one mediocre year in AZ, he got traded for Phil Kessel...

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Galchenyuk is a powerplay specialist who excels when playing the right side on the PP where he can set up for one-timers, the problem with him going to Pittsburgh is they have Crosby and Malkin already on that side.

He's dog shit at ES and had less ES points last year than our $1M depth pick up Nick Cousins. He'll likely continue to be a 40-50 point player again this year and people will continue to make excuses for him despite him not improving his skating, shot accuracy and learning how to skate/deke at the same time.

 

[the valiant effort]

I disagree. I watched Gretzky play hundreds of times (I also lived in L.A. and watched him play there after I moved from Canada). Gretzky could turn on a dime and had great edges but overall speed not great. good but not great.

Fast enough at 35 to burn a 25 year-old Billy Guerin on the PK!

 

[1909]

Galchenyuk is a powerplay specialist who excels when playing the right side on the PP where he can set up for one-timers, the problem with him going to Pittsburgh is they have Crosby and Malkin already on that side.

He's dog **** at ES and had less ES points last year than our $1M depth pick up Nick Cousins. He'll likely continue to be a 40-50 point player again this year and people will continue to make excuses for him despite him not improving his skating, shot accuracy and learning how to skate/deke at the same time.

With Malkin or Crosby as his center, Galchy will score 30 goals and more.... easily, most of them on PP.

 

[DangerDave]

It's not so much hyperbole. In fact it's opposite. The coyotes have hyperbole fans.
It's the reflexive "another terrible MGBtrade" when a deal is made. Maybe it's MB PTSD fans have around here No matter what the guy does (he wins most trades) too many fans just want to crap on him.
But on your note about knowledgeable analytical fans yea its quite impressive to read stuff esp. about prospects. i've been impressed with your posts and many other posters.

MB typically wins trades pretty handily. It's probably the thing he's best at. Where he falters is definetly drafting and prior to that his loyalty to guys like Therrien, Sly, JJD etc... And to be fair to people around here, that's a pretty big flaw that basically cost us 5 or 6 years. I can definitely understand their POV. MB is an average GM at best (though it's trending in the right direction atm) and thats not good enough for the most storied franchise in the sport

You're right in that the MB bashers are not really objective though but it's like that for every fan base. Go visit any board on here and all they do is bash the GM and coach lol.

 

[DangerDave]

With Malkin or Crosby as his center, Galchy will score 30 goals and more.... easily, most of them on PP.

And still be minus 30 lol

 

[azcanuck]

Yes, after his one mediocre year in AZ, he got traded for Phil Kessel...

Mediocre in Montreal. Mediocre in Phoenix.
But, But it's the coach's fault.

Yes, just like Galchs production will go up going to a better situation in Pitt...

Kind how it works for most team sport athletes, they do better in better situations.

Kessel was a contract dump. Pittsburgh wanted him OUT. Hard to get value for a 32 year old malcontent.

 

[Miller Time]

Mediocre in Montreal. Mediocre in Phoenix.
But, But it's the coach's fault.

Kessel was a contract dump. Pittsburgh wanted him OUT. Hard to get value for a 32 year old malcontent.

30 goals is considerably better than mediocre imo.

 

[azcanuck]

And still be minus 30 lol

I predict geno has trouble playing with him just like Keller did here. Why? Because he has virtually ZERO hockey sense. He's like a ball of cat fur flying on the ice but has no idea .

Fast enough at 35 to burn a 25 year-old Billy Guerin on the PK!

Nice!

MB typically wins trades pretty handily. It's probably the thing he's best at. Where he falters is definetly drafting and prior to that his loyalty to guys like Therrien, Sly, JJD etc... And to be fair to people around here, that's a pretty big flaw that basically cost us 5 or 6 years. I can definitely understand their POV. MB is an average GM at best (though it's trending in the right direction atm) and thats not good enough for the most storied franchise in the sport

You're right in that the MB bashers are not really objective though but it's like that for every fan base. Go visit any board on here and all they do is bash the GM and coach lol.

He wins his trades.
We have a group of premier prospects as good as any team in the league (probably behind devils, rangers). So the drafting LATELY has been superb.
I'm going to give the guy is due. He rebuilt the team after the visit to the CF.

 

[azcanuck]

30 goals is considerably better than mediocre imo.

7 years in the league. Once at 30 goals. Lets see how Domi matches up to that after 7 years.
There's more to the game also then scoring 30 goals for your team (once). His other holes are so bad they hardly make up for his inconsistent production.

 

[scrubadam]

How many goals/points would Domi put up with Malkin or Crosby?

I bet more than AG would/will put up.

 

[nhlfan9191]

And still be minus 30 lol

People were all over Schultz when he went to Pittsburgh and he pulled a complete 180. I think Galchenyuk still has a chance.

 

[Miller Time]

7 years in the league. Once at 30 goals. Lets see how Domi matches up to that after 7 years.
There's more to the game also then scoring 30 goals for your team (once). His other holes are so bad they hardly make up for his inconsistent production.

Yes, well the discussion was around the trade, which occurred last year.

At the time of the trade, AZ got better value, and that's what most criticism of the move rested on.

I both hope, and agree, that Domi looks primed to have a better career with us moving forward.

It's amazing when things work out well in hindsight. No one is arguing that.

 

[Kotkaniemi15]

Domi > AG no debate come on now

 

[azcanuck]

Yes, well the discussion was around the trade, which occurred last year.

At the time of the trade, AZ got better value, and that's what most criticism of the move rested on.

I both hope, and agree, that Domi looks primed to have a better career with us moving forward.

It's amazing when things work out well in hindsight. No one is arguing that.

there was no hindsight here. I told the forum Domi will be the superior player.

 

[Runner77]

Domi > AG no debate come on now

Is anyone even debating that? Answer is as clear as day.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Yet he went to arizona and the plan was to use him as center.
But quickly they realized he was AWFUL in his own zone and that plan went out the window real quick.
He was one and done in AZ .
Says a lot.
But to some stubborn Montreal fans it's still the coach's fault.

Yeah, it's almost as though if you aren't used as a center in the NHL, you don't really adapt to becoming one...

 

[BaseballCoach]

Yeah, it's almost as though if you aren't used as a center in the NHL, you don't really adapt to becoming one...

Except if your name is Max Domi, or Vinnie Damphousse or Jacques Lemaire.

 

[Toene]

Except if your name is Max Domi, or Vinnie Damphousse or Jacques Lemaire.

Seguin too.

 

[Andrei79]

Yeah, it's almost as though if you aren't used as a center in the NHL, you don't really adapt to becoming one...

Aho, Brayden Schenn, Zetterberg, Backes, Elias, Benn are all recent guys off the top of my head who managed to do it. Domi too, obviously.

Giroux and Seguin did it, but early in their careers.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Aho, Brayden Schenn, Zetterberg, Backes, Elias, Benn are all recent guys off the top of my head who managed to do it. Domi too, obviously.

Giroux and Seguin did it, but early in their careers.

And how many of them had a coach who would play them behind Desharnais? He spent the first three years of his career getting yelled at by a caveman.

Would I expect Guy Carbonneau? No. But the guy had all the signs of being a legit number one scoring center. He did well when put there and inexpicably we used Desharnais instead.

He's also had the misfortune of injuries including last season. I don't think he'll ever be the player he should've been but I think he's got some good years ahead of him still. I wouldn't write him off.

 

[Andrei79]

And how many of them had a coach who would play them behind Desharnais? He spent the first three years of his career getting yelled at by a caveman.

Would I expect Guy Carbonneau? No. But the guy had all the signs of being a legit number one scoring center. He did well when put there and inexpicably we used Desharnais instead.

He's also had the misfortune of injuries including last season. I don't think he'll ever be the player he should've been but I think he's got some good years ahead of him still. I wouldn't write him off.

Fair point. The whole organisation was a black hole of development during those years.