Post-Game Talk: Matty Hatty and Willy Winner Leafs win 4-3 in OT

[The Iceman]

Can we chat about the Leafs really bad PK that cost us a regulation win last night?

Keefe continues to deploy GIO and Brodie on his off side as PK1. They are both poor PK defenders at this stage in their careers.
Usual PK1 forwards are Mitch and Kampf. Mitch is an A1 PKer in my books,
Kampf is a bad offensive forward plugged in by default IMO to PK. He is at best an average PK forward.

IMO we have some solid PK D in McCabe, Benoit and even Lagesson when dressed that don't see the ice until PK2.
Keefe also uses Willy and Gregor as PK2 forwards. Both are bad PK players.

Leafs don't have an abundance of good PK players.
They have to STOP playing Brodie and GIO as first options. Too light, slow and Brodie is positionally unsound.

If it isn't addressed they will crash in the playoffs.

 

[ACC1224]

Can we chat about the Leafs really bad PK that cost us a regulation win last night?

Keefe continues to deploy GIO and Brodie on his off side as PK1. They are both poor PK defenders at this stage in their careers.
Usual PK1 forwards are Mitch and Kampf. Mitch is an A1 PKer in my books,
Kampf is a bad offensive forward plugged in by default IMO to PK. He is at best an average PK forward.

IMO we have some solid PK D in McCabe, Benoit and even Lagesson when dressed that don't see the ice until PK2.
Keefe also uses Willy and Gregor as PK2 forwards. Both are bad PK players.

Leafs don't have an abundance of good PK players.
They have to STOP playing Brodie and GIO as first options. Too light, slow and Brodie is positionally unsound.

If it isn't addressed they will crash in the playoffs.

Some would blame Van Ryn. He hasn't passed all the tests yet.

 

[GrizzLeaf]

I will never understand this PK setup
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It looks like the wedge +1 pk.

Basically there's a wedge or triangle and the +1 is supposed to aggressively attack the puck carrier.

The key is to know when to attack and what angle to use. He also has to know when to contain vs when to attack.

As the puck gets passed around the +1 becomes the closest player to that pass, the previous +1 rejoins the wedge.

It's an effective pk if you're looking to be aggressive. Just need really good skaters, and high IQ.

It's actually a very common PK formation.

 

[Aashir Mallik]

Can we chat about the Leafs really bad PK that cost us a regulation win last night?

Keefe continues to deploy GIO and Brodie on his off side as PK1. They are both poor PK defenders at this stage in their careers.
Usual PK1 forwards are Mitch and Kampf. Mitch is an A1 PKer in my books,
Kampf is a bad offensive forward plugged in by default IMO to PK. He is at best an average PK forward.

IMO we have some solid PK D in McCabe, Benoit and even Lagesson when dressed that don't see the ice until PK2.
Keefe also uses Willy and Gregor as PK2 forwards. Both are bad PK players.

Leafs don't have an abundance of good PK players.
They have to STOP playing Brodie and GIO as first options. Too light, slow and Brodie is positionally unsound.

If it isn't addressed they will crash in the playoffs.

Idk if nylander has been that bad at pking this year tbh

In 45 minutes, which is almost a minute per game he has been on the ice for 15 CA and 4 GA, he’s also been on for 3GF

Contrast to Marner, who’s played 107.5 minutes which is around 2 minutes a game, he has been on the ice for 47CA and 16GA with 1GF

This is in no way to say nylander is as good as Marner, Marner comes out at the very beginning and very end, nylander comes on usually when a change happens and so can cause rushes and has the chance to defend the line instead of already given it up on the faceoff

But in 42% of minutes compared to Marner he’s giving up 31% the chances and 25% of goals. He’s also been good on faceoffs winning 59% of them. he’s not a bad 2PK who comes out in a better position than Marner


In an ideal world you could go:
Upgraded Kampf, Marner
Kampf, Nylander

 

[hotpaws]

I used to think the reason JT always had Willy (or Mitch) to carry him was because Dubas insisted on it, to make his mistake look not too bad. I expected that to end when Dubas left (Keefe can't be that blind, can he?)

I'm coming around to the opinion of some posters that it's Shanahan more than Dubas to blame, for both the signing and the continued misuse.

I'm sure Shanny approved of signing JT but watching The Dube trade for EK it's obvious he loves to make a big splash regardless of how bad the move is .

Shanny is just stuck with him and it's funny listening to all the company media employees barely mention how bad JT has been this season .

 

[Hellcat]

I remember them and that I have been wildly consistent on saying Marner is the weakest link. AM should be signed at all costs and that WN had the potential to be the best player on the team. That last part will not come true but he sure as hell was for the first half of the season so, I guess it was kind of true in the end.

Moral of the story is Thewave is as reliable as the rooster is to cocking in the morning.

/s just having some fun

We have a Rooster down the street at a farm about 1km away, he crows in the afternoon, supper time, morning... sitting on the patio in the summer at dinner time is comicial...the guy puts so much effort into it but he just gets it wrong... this summer we will call him Bertuzzi

 

[garce]

That was a fun to be at, 3 rows up directly behind the net that all seven goals went in. If the young women who was obnoxiously drunk before the game started didn’t fall into me from behind after the hat trick goal it would have been perfect lol. I knew she was in for a short night when she ordered crown royals straight up shortly after puck drop.
Knocked me face first into the shoulder of the guy in front of me. Didn’t spill a drop of the 18$ beer.
I was ok and she and her entourage were escorted out.
Matthews release and shot is even more impressive from a few feet away just wow!

 

[Jojalu]

Exactly how much are we paying Bertuzzi per point?

Whatever it is, it's too much.

His vaunted "playoff performer" status (and isn't all of this based on one series?) means nothing if he's completely useless in the regular season.

Couldn't disagree more.

If he produces at last years clip, and helps the Leafs make the ECF or better, he would be worth every penny

 

[Darcy Tucker]

Couldn't disagree more.

If he produces at last years clip, and helps the Leafs make the ECF or better, he would be worth every penny

But really how much can you expect out of him when he has 1 goal in 30 odd games. McMann tripled that production in 13 minutes lmao

 

[Jojalu]

But really how much can you expect out of him when he has 1 goal in 30 odd games. McMann tripled that production in 13 minutes lmao

I don't really have any expectations.

I can only hope.

 

[LeafParade]

But really how much can you expect out of him when he has 1 goal in 30 odd games. McMann tripled that production in 13 minutes lmao

I prefer McMann over Bertuzzi.

 

[Obo]

No but to at least get in the guts way, he skated right by him

I assume "guts" is a typo but I like it. This is exactly what he should have tried to do.

 

[AcerComputer]

I prefer McMann over Bertuzzi.

I agree. And yet Keefe puts him on the 4th line after getting a hat-trick. Makes no sense. Can't win anything with this boys club.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

I will never understand this PK setup
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It's called a wedge+1.

The reason it's used is because it's the best counter to the 1-3-1 most teams use on the power play these days. The objective is to have the +1 pressure the point and create turnovers. Because there is only one defender it can easily lead to a breakaway.

In modern terms it's what they call a powerkill.

 

[PromisedLand]

Deepest condolences to Gio and his family

 

[MarMarSab3]

I assume "guts" is a typo but I like it. This is exactly what he should have tried to do.

Haha it was but yet it worked lol

 

[CelticDruid]

Tavares has no business wearing the "C"

I am almost positive he is not going to get an offer from Treliving he will like anyway... He is also getting worse. Look at his even strength production, his skating or heck no fight to go to the boards or get into scrums

IMO regardless of whether we get a new coach or not the "C" should be passed on to Rielly

Bertuzzi and Tavares are slow to the forecheck and usually get trapped behind the net. Willy hangs up high in case of breakaways. That's a total misuse of the lines potential.

Willy needs to play with a high octane linemate. Jarncock is the closest to that description right now (weak).

Knies Bertuzzi and Tavares for the third line.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Bertuzzi has a 57% 5v5 xGF and 55% GF.

I will sit back and enjoy watching you convince people their current regular season eye test of Bertuzzi doesn't mean anything

Bertuzzi is a forward playing in our top 6 with Nylander and JT. Advanced stats aside his production is terrible. I'd have him on our third line but nowhere higher.

Numerically show how Liljegren helps to organize and control a game?

He doesn't have the IQ to do this. You need to be smart team that plays hard to win in the playoffs. xGF% is totally useless for what we're talking about and I'm the biased one. You have not statistically shown anything and are the bias one saying eye test is meaningless.

I did though. He leads all regular dmen at 5 on 5 in these stats: Gf%, xGf%, both of these when they are score adjusted, and lead all of our defensemen in these stats last year too. He makes no more mistakes than guys like Brodie, McCabe, Benoit, etc yet gets more hate than any of them. All you have brought to the discussion is that he fails your eye test and have presented zero stats to back anything you say up. NHL Player Statistics -Advanced Stats 2023-2024

 

[stickty111]

It looks like the wedge +1 pk.

Basically there's a wedge or triangle and the +1 is supposed to aggressively attack the puck carrier.

The key is to know when to attack and what angle to use. He also has to know when to contain vs when to attack.

As the puck gets passed around the +1 becomes the closest player to that pass, the previous +1 rejoins the wedge.

It's an effective pk if you're looking to be aggressive. Just need really good skaters, and high IQ.

It's actually a very common PK formation.

It's been effective for us aside from this season. I think thats more due to the limited PKers we have

its a konecny special. somehow lol

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[notDatsyuk]

Bertuzzi is a forward playing in our top 6 with Nylander and JT. Advanced stats aside his production is terrible. I'd have him on our third line but nowhere higher.

Change 'advanced stats' to 'power play' and you can say exactly the same about JT.

 

[Lightsol]

Bertuzzi and Tavares are slow to the forecheck and usually get trapped behind the net. Willy hangs up high in case of breakaways. That's a total misuse of the lines potential.

Willy needs to play with a high octane linemate. Jarncock is the closest to that description right now (weak).

Knies Bertuzzi and Tavares for the third line.

They need to get Bertuzzi and Tavares the f*** away from each other. They magnify the other's shortcomings.

 

[arso40]

They need to get Bertuzzi and Tavares the f*** away from each other. They magnify the other's shortcomings.

Close to the same type of player put bertuzzi on the top line if they won’t split M&M up

 

[notDatsyuk]

They need to get Bertuzzi and Tavares the f*** away from each other. They magnify the other's shortcomings.

They need to get Tavares the f*** away from Bertuzzi and Nylander.

 

[Jojalu]

They need to get Tavares the f*** away from Bertuzzi and Nylander.
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It kind of sucks JT is still on this 11 mil deal.

If he was just around 6-7, he would seem like a good 2nd line C. Even with his struggles this year

 

[ZEBROA]

We got 4 players that usually put up good numbers with lesser players and many times play there best overall. I would take a look at giving them there own lines a few games. But only when playoff is a sure thing... So never. Would be interesting at least.
Mcmann Matthews Robertson
Bert Domi Marner
Jarny Holmberg Nylander
Kampf Tavares gregor(hahaha)

Every 11mill get its own responsability