Hmm, who would be the decent prospect?
Isn't it pretty much a forgone conclusion Duchene is an Av to start the year now?
I agree. Frankly, Jordan Eberle is a comparable, and he netted Strome.
Isn't it pretty much a forgone conclusion Duchene is an Av to start the year now?
I never heard of a straight up swap there Murray/Duchene. I think everyone assumes a 1st would be sent to COL as well. Maybe a decent prospect as well.
The whole notion of "two-year rental" is absurd. Matt Duchene is worth, to me, two firsts and a B-level prospect. No blue-chippers unless we're talking a pretty much straight up deal.
I agree. Frankly, Jordan Eberle is a comparable, and he netted Strome.
Maybe Sakic's long ball plan is really to keep his team in tact and try to end up drafting either Dahlin or Svechnikov next year
By making a culture trade (Duchene) there's a chance the Avs' chemistry can improve and the might win their way out of a top 2 pick (or get very unlucky again).
I think looking what Drouin got back who is younger and most likely a better player than Duchene going forward it is hard to imagine Duchene bringing in the asking price. Hall also I consider a better forward and he also did not bring in anything like this asking price. After an 18 goal 41 point season at $6 million cap hit I just don't see how they think they are going to get a higher value then those young forwards. Honestly if Duchene had another season like last year you would have to give other teams a pick or prospect just to take him and I am no overstating this point. If a player had 18 goals and 41 points 2 seasons in a row no team would want that $6 million cap hit.
At this point you have teams ready to pay up with the belief of a bounce back season with good reason but thinking he is worth the same as the year before coming off a 30 goal season just is not going to happen. The Pens gave up less for Kessel who is clearly a better player and with 5 years of control compared to 2.
Okay, fair enough. In this instance, though, CBJ would be trading for a pretty killer forward in Duchene, so would that make PLD less of a need for CBJ in this scenario? Furthermore, what would be the additional pieces coming along with PLD if he were the main piece in a Duchene trade?
And where did I say that
Nashville fan chiming in here....
Ryan Murray is a #5 on Columbus
Fair enough
When Columbus traded Johansen to us, Seth Jones was a #5 dman behind Weber/Josi/Ekholm/Ellis
Point being you can't evaluate it on minutes played.
That seemed to work out well for everyone
I think the hold up is this:
Both sides agree Murray + 1st + something else
The dispute is:
COL fans think the + should be =/> than Murray (PLD, Carlsson, Bjork) while CBS fans think the + should be the smallest of the 3 pieces (Milano, other prospect).
If the Friedman report is true, it's less "pay the price tag" and more "unable to negotiate in good faith". If Sakic's honest approach to this is "that return doesn't hurt the other guy enough" rather than "that return doesn't help our team enough", then it was a complete waste of time to inquire. Which is rather frustrating.If Columbus doesn't want to pay duchenes price tag, are their any other centers they can get for the price they want to pay.
Go get nugent-Hopkins, or kadri or bozak, etc.
One of them may be considered more reasonable.
If Columbus doesn't want to pay duchenes price tag, are their any other centers they can get for the price they want to pay.
Go get nugent-Hopkins, or kadri or bozak, etc.
One of them may be considered more reasonable.
I think looking what Drouin got back who is younger and most likely a better player than Duchene going forward it is hard to imagine Duchene bringing in the asking price.
Am I taking crazy pills? Has duchenes one bad year really made everyone forget how good hes been before last season? Heres a comparison of their careers.
Year after draft: Duchene 55 points, Drouin back to minors.
Second year: Duchene 67 points, Drouin 32 points.
Third year: Duchene 28 points in 58 games (bad year for him), Drouin 10 points in 21 games, played in ahl and held out.
Fourth year: Duchene 43 points in 47 games (lockout year), Drouin 53 points in 73 games.
Fifth year. Duchene 70 points in 71 games, Drouin TBD.
I feel like people either think of Drouin as a 19 year old prospect (he's not) or people forget how effing good Duchene has been because of how terrible he was last year.
You look at those stats and take out the names and it's not even close who is the better player.
Now I'm not saying duchene now holds the same value as Drouin now. I'm not even saying that Drouin won't hit a few point per game seasons. But to say Drouin is the better player because of one off year for Duchene is too narrow minded for my liking.
Isn't it pretty much a forgone conclusion Duchene is an Av to start the year now?
I think looking what Drouin got back who is younger and most likely a better player than Duchene going forward it is hard to imagine Duchene bringing in the asking price. Hall also I consider a better forward and he also did not bring in anything like this asking price. After an 18 goal 41 point season at $6 million cap hit I just don't see how they think they are going to get a higher value then those young forwards. Honestly if Duchene had another season like last year you would have to give other teams a pick or prospect just to take him and I am no overstating this point. If a player had 18 goals and 41 points 2 seasons in a row no team would want that $6 million cap hit.
At this point you have teams ready to pay up with the belief of a bounce back season with good reason but thinking he is worth the same as the year before coming off a 30 goal season just is not going to happen. The Pens gave up less for Kessel who is clearly a better player and with 5 years of control compared to 2.
If Columbus doesn't want to pay duchenes price tag, are their any other centers they can get for the price they want to pay.
Go get nugent-Hopkins, or kadri or bozak, etc.
One of them may be considered more reasonable.
Duchene's are ok stats for a top 6 forward, not good and certainly not great results and not #1 C results. He looks like an upper level #2. That's the type of return other GMs will likely pay.
Wow so good. Show us his cumulative p/game or p/20. It'll paint a more accurate picture.That wasn't my point at all. I was showing his stats to illustrate how his career has been far better than Drouins. But now that you responded with that, I might as well address it.
Since 2012-2013 Duchene is 16th overall in points for centres.
Yeah. Those are definitely "just good results". A whole 15 players have been better than him. He really needs to step it up.
Well yeah. It is July 6th. There is no way they have enough time to work out a deal before the season starts. Just left it too long.
Wow so good. Show us his cumulative p/game or p/20. It'll paint a more accurate picture.
Well from 2013 on (hockey analysis only goes 4 years through the past year, so to include his horrible year), he's 10th among C's in P/60 5v5. I'd say that qualifies as a #1 C, no? He's also 15th overall in points 5v5 since '13 or 6th among C's.