He hindered his own and his teammates success with his ego. That's a negative and surprise, surprise voters are holding it against him.
NFL: Marvin Harrison is more HoF worthy than Terrell Owens
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He hindered his own and his teammates success with his ego. That's a negative and surprise, surprise voters are holding it against him.
Hockeyfan02
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If that's the reasoning for TO not getting in this year then Moss should expect that he's not getting in on the first ballot either.
The reason TO didn't get in this year is there are only five slots and more than one player at the same position is difficult. Harrison has been eligible longer and had more support.
Roboturner913
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I could easily find more supporting evidence, I just didn't feel like it was necessary. These things were pretty obvious issues over the course of his entire career -- so much so that I'm shocked anybody who watched him play would attempt to argue otherwise.
and you're missing the point anyway - I am not saying those things detracted so much that he was a bad player or unworthy of the HOF - I am saying those things are his weaknesses just as Marvin's lack of size/speed/strength were his.
Don't you find it telling that an NFL GM mentioned those two things first as reasons for his team-hopping, without even bringing up his rep as locker room poison?
And again, the more yards/TDs is a non-argument, 1,400 yards in two years would be below-average production for most #2 WRs in football right now.
Quid Pro Clowe
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How exactly did his ego hinder on field production?
These players are quite able to leave locker room issues in the locker room and play when it's time. On a team of 53 personalities, not everyone is going to get along, and TO's work ethic and drive on the field was never questioned. You never heard about him not running his routes or playing hard, like you did with Moss for example.
Quid Pro Clowe
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I should rephrase that. He hurt a contending team by deciding they were somehow not reverent enough.
Quid Pro Clowe
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He did do that, but he also helped every team he played for at least get to the playoffs and gave them a better chance to win. He didn't take his off field baggage onto it.
And we are talking about the Hall of Fame here, so he didn't get voted in ahead of a guy who did none of those things.
Voight
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Again.... HOF is about what you do on the playing field and he was pretty good at that aspect. Who cares if he was a ******.
Voight
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6× Pro Bowl (2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2007)
5× First-team All-Pro (2000, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2007)
FN Second-Team All-Pro (1998)
NFC champion (2004)
3× NFL Receiving Touchdowns Leader (2001, 2002, 2006)
1,000 Catch Club
100 Career Receiving Touchdowns Club
10,000 Receiving Yards Club
15,000 Receiving Yards Club
NFL 2000s All-Decade Team
NFL records
Currently, the only player in NFL history to score a TD against all 32 NFL teams
Currently, the only player in NFL history to score two or more touchdowns against all 32 NFL teams
Oldest player to have a TD reception of 98+ yards (35 years, 350 days)
Oldest player to have a TD reception of 78+ yards (36 years, 300 days)
Oldest player to have a 200-yard receiving game (36 years, 300 days)
Consecutive Seasons with at least 5 or more touchdown receptions, 2000-2010 (11) - tied with Marvin Harrison 1996-2006, Jerry Rice 1986-1996, Cris Carter 1991-2001, Tim Brown 1991-2001, Don Hutson 1935-1945
Consecutive Seasons with at least 5 or more touchdowns, 2000-2010 (11) - tied with Marvin Harrison 1996-2006, Jerry Rice 1986-1996, Cris Carter 1991-2001, Tim Brown 1991-2001, Don Hutson 1935-1945
Consecutive seasons with at least 4 touchdown receptions, 1996-2010 (15)
Consecutive seasons with at least 4 touchdowns, 1996-2010 (15)
Consecutive seasons with at least 3 touchdown receptions, 1996-2010 (15)
Consecutive seasons with at least 3 touchdowns, 1996-2010 (15)
Consecutive seasons with at least 750 receiving yards, 1997-2010 (14)
One of six players to have at least 2 receptions of 90+ yards (John Taylor, Mike Quick, Gaynell Tinsley, Steve Watson, and Willard Dewveall)
^^^ That is what matters when talking about if a player should be in the HOF.
And Harrison has a hell of a resume too, so when looking at why the votes broke one way or the other it might not take much.
Quid Pro Clowe
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I can only speak for myself, but I would value what Harrison apparently did off the field more than Owens' consistent refractory behaviour.
Voight
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Sure but its very clear TO was the better receiver and Harrison not showing up is all that needs to be said.
I agree. Unfair that their holding TO to a double standard.
but he cellied hard and cried that one time and is very selfish
clearly that negates all of the good
They'll both be in eventually so in the long run it doesn't really matter, it's just stupid he is left out over pettiness (even though I'm big on being petty)
The Mighty Duck Man
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Many of those records aren't particularly noteworthy and/or similar to other. And not only is that TDs against all 32 teams one both, it's also clearly unfair to Harrison.
EpochLink
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To be honest, Harrison was the next receiver to go in. They had to let in Carter, Brown and Reed in first it was time for Harrison.
Owens goes in next year, he's basically getting the Roberto Alomar treatment cause he spat on an umpire so he was disqualified for getting in first ballot
Voight
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These are all very noteworthy
Consecutive Seasons with at least 5 or more touchdown receptions, 2000-2010 (11) - tied with Marvin Harrison 1996-2006, Jerry Rice 1986-1996, Cris Carter 1991-2001, Tim Brown 1991-2001, Don Hutson 1935-1945
Consecutive Seasons with at least 5 or more touchdowns, 2000-2010 (11) - tied with Marvin Harrison 1996-2006, Jerry Rice 1986-1996, Cris Carter 1991-2001, Tim Brown 1991-2001, Don Hutson 1935-1945
Consecutive seasons with at least 750 receiving yards, 1997-2010 (14)
2nd in Receiving Yards
3rd in TD's
6th In Receptions
But whatever, if they dont like how his irrelevant off-field behaviour was, so be it. they've been letting inferior players in before better ones forever.
The Mighty Duck Man
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Two of those are more or less the exact same thing. And he's tied with Harrison on both.
I'm not even using that as a platform to say Marv is better, I'm saying I really don't care about records like that.
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Roboturner913
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and now Marvin:
Career highlights and awards
8× Pro Bowl (1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006)
3× First-team All-Pro (1999, 2002, 2006)
5× Second-team All-Pro (2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2005)
Super Bowl champion (XLI)
AFC Champion (2006)
NFL Alumni Wide Receiver of the Year (2002)
2× NFL Receiving Yards Leader (1999, 2002)
2× NFL receptions leader (2000 (tied), 2002)
NFL Receiving Touchdowns Co-Leader (2005)
NFL 2000s All-Decade Team
10,000 Receiving Yards Club
1,000 Catch Club
Indianapolis Colts Ring of Honor (2011)
Indianapolis Colts all-time leader (Receptions, Receiving yards, Receiving Touchdowns)
3rd all-time career receptions
5th all-time career receiving touchdowns
7th all-time career receiving yards
Pro Football Hall of Fame inductee (2016)
Records
Averaged 84.77 receptions per season, which is second to the all-time record held by Sterling Sharpe who averaged 85 receptions per season. He had previously been averaging 93 per season until 2007, where he missed the majority of games with a knee injury, resulting in a 20 reception season.
4th most touchdown receptions in a decade (95) 2000–2009
3rd most receiving yards per game throughout a career (76.7 yds/game)
2nd most receiving yards in a decade (10,439) 2000–2009
Holds the NFL record for receptions in a single season with 143, set in 2002.
Most receptions in a 2 season period (252), 2001–2002; 3 season period (354), 2000–2002; 4 season period (469), 1999–2002; 5 season period (563), 1999–2003; 6 season period (649)[2nd most – surpassed by Wes Welker 2007–2012 seasons, per HMS radio-show], 1999–2004; 7 season period (731), 1999–2005; 8 season period (826), 1999–2006; 9 season period (885), 1998–2006; 10 season period (958), 1997–2006; 11 season period (1,022), 1996–2006.
Most receiving yards in a 4 season period (6,322), 1999–2002; 5 season period (7,594), 1999–2003.
Most games in a career with at least 8 receptions (51), 9 receptions (32), 11 receptions (12), 12 receptions (8)
Most consecutive games with at least 6 receptions (16) and 9 receptions (6)
Most consecutive seasons with at least 5 touchdowns (11) – shared with Jerry Rice, Don Hutson, Cris Carter, Tim Brown, Terrell Owens
Most consecutive seasons with at least 6 touchdowns (11) – shared with Terrell Owens, Jerry Rice, Don Hutson
Most consecutive seasons with at least 5 touchdown receptions (11) – shared with Jerry Rice, Don Hutson, Cris Carter, Tim Brown, Terrell Owens
Most consecutive seasons with at least 6 touchdown receptions (11) – shared with Jerry Rice, Don Hutson
Most consecutive seasons with at least 10 touchdown receptions (8)
Most consecutive seasons with at least 11 touchdown receptions (4)-tied with Lance Alworth, Art Powell
Most consecutive seasons with at least 14 touchdown receptions (2)-tied with Jerry Rice
Consecutive seasons with 1,400+ receiving yards (4); 1999–2002
Consecutive seasons with 100+ receptions (4); 1999–2002
Consecutive seasons with 82+ receptions (8); 1999–2006.
Most games in a single season (2002) with at least 6 receptions (15), 7 receptions (12), 8 receptions (12), 9 receptions (10), 11 receptions (5).
Most games in a season with at least 13 receptions (2) in 1999 – tied with several players
3rd most games in a single season with 10+ receptions (6). Wes Welker and Andre Johnson have 7.
Marvin Harrison and Peyton Manning currently hold the record for most completions between a Wide Receiver and Quarterback with 953.
Marvin Harrison and Peyton Manning currently hold the NFL record for passing touchdowns between a WR and QB with 112.
Marvin Harrison and Peyton Manning currently hold the NFL record for passing yards between a WR and QB with 12,756.
Marvin Harrison and Peyton Manning currently hold the NFL record for completions in a season between a WR and QB with 143, 2002
Marvin Harrison and Peyton Manning held the NFL record for passing yards in a season between a WR and QB with 1,722, 2002 – broken by Calvin Johnson and Matthew Stafford in 2012
Harrison trails only Jerry Rice in 1,500 or more receiving yard seasons. He has 3 such seasons, Jerry Rice had 4.
First player to record 2 seasons of 1,600 yards receiving in NFL history, (1999 & 2002).(Torry Holt became the 2nd, (2000 & 2003)
First player to have 50+ receptions in his first 11 seasons in NFL history.(Torry Holt became the 2nd on December 27, 2009)
With 59 career 100-yard receiving games, Marvin Harrison ranks No. 3 all time behind Jerry Rice (76) and Randy Moss (64).
Second-fastest player to achieve 100 receiving touchdowns.
Consecutive seasons of 1,000+ all-purpose yards and 10+ touchdown receptions (8), 1999–2006.
On December 18, 2006, Marvin Harrison and Indianapolis Colt teammate Reggie Wayne became the only NFL wide receiver tandem to catch 75 receptions and 1,000 yards in 3 straight seasons. The game was on Monday Night and was played against the Cincinnati Bengals.
On November 17, 2002, made his 600th career reception against the Dallas Cowboys.
On October 12, 2003, made his 700th career reception against the Carolina Panthers. And is the fastest player to do so reaching the mark in 114 games.
On November 8, 2004, made his 800th career reception against the Minnesota Vikings. And is the fastest player to do so reaching the mark in 131 games.
On November 20, 2005, made his 900th career reception against the Cincinnati Bengals. And is the fastest player to do so reaching the mark in 149 career games.
On December 10, 2006, made his 1000th reception against the Jacksonville Jaguars. And is the fastest player to do so reaching the mark in just 167 career games.
On December 28, 2008, made his 1,100th career reception against the Tennessee Titans in his last regular season game and his last game in Indianapolis. He is the fastest player to do so reaching the mark in just 190 career games. Half way through the second quarter, he moved into second place for most receptions all time with 1,102, trailing only Jerry Rice.
Most receptions over 1st 7 seasons (665), 8 seasons (759), 9 seasons (845), 10 seasons (927), 11 seasons (1,022) and 13 seasons (1,102) seasons of career of any NFL receiver
Most consecutive games with a reception to start a career (190)
Most average receptions per game in a career (5.8) – 1996–2008
Most consecutive games with 8+ receiving yards (190), (206 if counting playoffs) – every game
Most consecutive games with a 6+ yard reception (190), (206 if counting playoffs) – every game
Most consecutive games with an 8+ yard reception (177), (192 if counting playoffs)
Marvin Harrison is in third place for the most consecutive games with a reception with 190 (206 counting playoffs), only behind Jerry Rice who had 274 and Tony Gonzalez who has 196 as of the end of the 2012 season.
Voight
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He can chalk up pretty much all or most of those to playing with Peyton Manning.
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