Value of: Marner Relative to Draisaitl **pleaes re-read OP POST**

[Brock Radunske]

I won't name names but I have yet to regret my ignore decisions when I hit "show hidden content"

 

[DatSnipeMatthews]

The powerplay struggles are 100% on coaching.

Draisaitl had 27 powerplay points last season, this season he dropped to 11. He improved his even strength and short handed production but our idiot powerplay setup really hurt him and probably cost Connor another Hart.

With a decent powerplay - let’s say he came in flat to last season’s PP numbers - suddenly we’re talking about the 85 point player Oiler fans know he can be.

No, nothing could have won McDavid the Hart given how the Oilers don't have a legitimate roster to make the playoffs. Oilers have McDavid then big gap, Drai, then big gap, RNH and that's it. And then you have a couple of decent D. The team is absolute garbage.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Both are good young players, producing well in the roles they are given, but long term, I take the big bodied centre over the small winger 10/10. For Marner to be more valuable long term (ie, after that ELC is over), he would have to outproduce Draisaitl by a fair amount due to the size and strength factor.

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

Both great young players, but the edge goes to the centre until Mitchie puts up a ppg season, which i think he will be able to do next year

Marner put up 69 points after slumping for half a season which is pretty impressive, and its important to consider the fact that Marner has the ability to drive a line as a winger, making his value comparable to that of a centre...

If he signs a contract around 6.5 million/year (which is comparable to Pasta and Ehlers) his value instantly becomes higher than Drai's

 

[voxel]

Draisaitl is a beast on the dot. Won 67% of the faceoffs in the last 20ish games... even though he started off crappy on the dot. He's going to be that WHL MVP type player in the future.

 

[Seachd]

I don’t know how to ask this without coming off as rude, but what GMs have said this?

Why am I not surprised you haven’t gotten an answer?

 

[KlefDown]

I love how Leafs fans only argument is "McDavid". Even though, all throughout the season, It's been proven that Marner relies on Matthews, more than Drai does with Connor.

 

[Jared Dunn]

You know, I am a person who really tries to talk hockey, and really look at the whole picture. I talk to Habs fans, Bruins fans, Sabres fans etc. I get along with almost everyone.

The fan base I find that jumps down my throat are Oiler fans, many are just so dismissive, and for what? It's not like they have been better lately? or earned the right to boast?

It's baffling

To be fair, there's a handful of truly awful Leafs fans on these boards that you seem to see more often than the reasonable ones

 

[Jared Dunn]

Marner has more value (NHL GMs agree with me too). Drai has to have his hand held by McDavid in order to produce.

Give me a holler next time you have your monthly lunch meeting with the 31 GMs

 

[DRW204]

I love how Leafs fans only argument is "McDavid". Even though, all throughout the season, It's been proven that Marner relies on Matthews, more than Drai does with Connor.

How so?

 

[DanM]

To be fair, there's a handful of truly awful Leafs fans on these boards that you seem to see more often than the reasonable ones

Oh for sure, and with so many of us it can be unbearable.

I just always hated that dismissive attitude from some of the Oiler fans. I mean both of our franchises have shit the bed over the years lol

But again, it's not everyone, only a handful as well. Many Oil fans have been great.

 

[Homesick]

Hard to measure.

One plays with McDavid half the time and bums the rest of the time, the other is always on the 2nd line.

The first is on a ****ty power play team the second is on one of the best.

One plays C half the time the other is always a RW.

One is big the other is a smurf.

One is overpaid the other on an ECL.

That last factor suggests to me Marner might have more trade value but Centres make the world go around so it depends on your teams situation. The Habs for example would probably pay more for Dra. The Penguins would probably rather have Marner.

How Draisaitl only plays centre "half the time" but leads the team in Faceoffs over the past two seasons is amazing

 

[Menzinger]

I love how Leafs fans only argument is "McDavid". Even though, all throughout the season, It's been proven that Marner relies on Matthews, more than Drai does with Connor.

Lol they don’t even play on the same PP unit

 

[HockeyAnalystGenius]

Mariner would put up 100 points with Mcdavid.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

This is actually a tough one, good question to ask.

I do think Drai is a bit overrated, and Marner is really showing that he could be PPG over a full season next year in my opinion.

I always tend to still side with the centre, but Marner has looked REALLY elite the second half of the season. Maybe better to revisit next year.

if you are pepsi... you ask the question what is better pepsi or coke and you say its a good question

if you are coke you never mention the existence of coke

marner is elevated if he gets compared to draisailt... so connecting the two is something that benefits him

draisailt suffers because of this comparison... his side wouldn't even begin to consider this a valid conversation

coke never acknowledges that pepsi even exists

 

[ACC1224]

I love how Leafs fans only argument is "McDavid". Even though, all throughout the season, It's been proven that Marner relies on Matthews, more than Drai does with Connor.

 

[AvatarAang]

Elite young C vs elite young centre. The C will win 9/10 unless the winger does something to really separate himself.

Agreed but what relevance does that have here?

8M elite winger vs a very good winger who will probably sign under 6.5M.

Factoring in contract I'd pick Marner. IF Draisaitl were ever to be traded out of Edmonton, he would be my easy choice regardless of his overpaid contract.

 

[Nizdizzle]

I love how Leafs fans only argument is "McDavid". Even though, all throughout the season, It's been proven that Marner relies on Matthews, more than Drai does with Connor.

I would love to see even some weak proof of this. Anything that would possibly point you in this direction.

 

[rent free]

Draisaitl is a beast on the dot. Won 67% of the faceoffs in the last 20ish games... even though he started off crappy on the dot. He's going to be that WHL MVP type player in the future.

you can't be a beast on the dot if you were crap at doing it in the beginning of the season

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Agreed but what relevance does that have here?

8M elite winger vs a very good winger who will probably sign under 6.5M.

Factoring in contract I'd pick Marner. IF Draisaitl were ever to be traded out of Edmonton, he would be my easy choice regardless of his overpaid contract.

Draisaitl is not a winger. He is a centre that plays wing sometimes. He’s a very versatile player that is effective on the wing and at C.

I’m not sure why some Toronto fans have so much trouble with this relatively straightforward concept.

 

[rent free]

I love how Leafs fans only argument is "McDavid". Even though, all throughout the season, It's been proven that Marner relies on Matthews, more than Drai does with Connor.

marner has played 4 percent of his time with matthews. he's spent most of his time with kadri and marleau and bozak and jvr. all of those players are inferior to mcdavid.

 

[HockeyGuruPitka]

Draisaitl is kind of a Bi-polar player. Sometimes hes Malkin, dominant on the puck and at other times he plays shy. If he can figure out how to bring it every single night, then this debate really wouldnt be close. For me its Draisaitl and i love me some Marner.

 

[rent free]

Draisaitl is not a winger. He is a centre that plays wing sometimes. He’s a very versatile player that is effective on the wing and at C.

I’m not sure why some Toronto fans have so much trouble with this relatively straightforward concept.

its because he plays with mcdavid most of the time and you can't have 2 centers on a line. one is a winger and one is a center and we all know mcdavid is the center

 

[ChaoticOrange]

its because he plays with mcdavid most of the time and you can't have 2 centers on a line. one is a winger and one is a center and we all know mcdavid is the center

Well, no, no he doesn’t.

That isn’t how it works here. You’d have to watch Oiler games to understand.

Draisaitl will sometimes start a game on mcDavid’s wing, then ten minutes later centre his own line, which will last two periods, and then be back up with McDavid in the 3rd. Line combinations are a very fluid concept under Todd McLellan.

Even when he is playing with McDavid, he’ll be the one taking the draws and the centre’s defensive responsibilities. When the Oilers get the puck and head back up ice, McDavid becomes the C.

 

[rent free]

Well, no, no he doesn’t.

That isn’t how it works here. You’d have to watch Oiler games to understand.

Draisaitl will sometimes start a game on mcDavid’s wing, then ten minutes later centre his own line, which will last two periods, and then be back up with McDavid in the 3rd. Line combinations are a very fluid concept under Todd McLellan.

Even when he is playing with McDavid, he’ll be the one taking the draws and the centre’s defensive responsibilities. When the Oilers get the puck and head back up ice, McDavid becomes the C.

so half the time he plays as a C and half the time he plays as a winger? well considering he has spent most of his ice time with mcdavid, its easy to see why he is viewed as a winger.