Prospect Info: Marlies/Prospects Thread - 2023-23 Season Edition

[zeke]

Robby/Malgin --- Gaudette --- McMann
Steeves --- Holmberg --- Abruzzese
Blandisi --- Douglas --- Anderson
Abramov --- SDA --- Ovchinnikov
Clifford --- Shaw --- Simmonds
Gogolev --- Amirov --- Ellis

Mete --- Benn
Kokkonen --- Villeneuve
Kral --- Rindell
Dahlstrom --- Holowell

McKay
Woll
Kallgren

​

 

[Machinae]

Robby/Malgin --- Holmberg --- Steeves
McMann --- Gaudette --- Blandisi
Abruzzese --- Douglas --- Anderson
Abramov --- SDA --- Ovchinnikov
Clifford --- Shaw --- Simmonds
Gogolev --- Amirov --- Ellis

Mete --- Benn
Kokkonen --- Villeneuve
Kral --- Rindell
Dahlstrom --- Holowell

McKay
Woll
Kallgren

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Have a feeling we'll see a forward for dman trade soon, whether it be an AHL trade (Shaw?) or moving Gaudette or Anderson for a D that cleared waivers.

 

[Vandalay Industries]

Does anyone have a take on Kasper Larsen? Seems from your posts that he is probably not making it to the AHL this time around since nobody is mentioning him at all in here?

 

[aingefan]

Does anyone have a take on Kasper Larsen? Seems from your posts that he is probably not making it to the AHL this time around since nobody is mentioning him at all in here?

I think some posters hoped he’d accept an AHL deal, and develop through the system, but no word on that happening, yet.

And no contract spots left. So, guess it’s tbd.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Robby/Malgin --- Gaudette --- McMann
Steeves --- Holmberg --- Abruzzese
Blandisi --- Douglas --- Anderson
Abramov --- SDA --- Ovchinnikov
Clifford --- Shaw --- Simmonds
Gogolev --- Amirov --- Ellis

Mete --- Benn
Kokkonen --- Villeneuve
Kral --- Rindell
Dahlstrom --- Holowell

McKay
Woll
Kallgren

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Ovchinikov is in Russia now is he not?

 

[zeke]

Ovchinikov is in Russia now is he not?

ah yes, he is.

Robby 21/Malgin 25 --- Gaudette 26 --- McMann 26
Steeves 23 --- Holmberg 23 --- Abruzzese 23
Gogolev 22 --- Douglas 22 --- Anderson 24
Abramov 21 --- SDA 22 --- Ellis 22
Clifford 31 --- Shaw 30 --- Blandisi 28/Simmonds 34
(Amirov 21)

Mete 24 --- Benn 35
Kral 23 --- Rindell 22
Kokkonen 21 --- Villeneuve 20
Dahlstrom 27--- Holowell 24

McKay 25
Woll 24
Kallgren 26
Petruzzelli 23​

 

[SeaOfBlue]

ah yes, he is.

Robby/Malgin --- Gaudette --- McMann
Steeves --- Holmberg --- Abruzzese
Gogolev --- Douglas --- Anderson
Abramov --- SDA --- Ellis
Clifford --- Shaw --- Blandisi/Simmonds
(Amirov)

Mete --- Benn
Kokkonen --- Villeneuve
Kral --- Rindell
Dahlstrom --- Holowell

McKay
Woll
Kallgren​

LW Nick Robertson – C Semyon Der-Arguchintsev – RW Joey Anderson
LW Alex Steeves – C Pontus Holmberg – RW Adam Gaudette
LW Nick Abruzzese – C Curtis Douglas – RW Max Ellis
LW Bobby McMann – C Mikhail Abramov – RW Pavel Gogolev
LW Kyle Clifford - C Logan Shaw – RW Wayne Simmonds
C Graham Slaggert/RW Joseph Blandisi

LD Jordie Benn – RD Victor Mete
LD Filip Kral – RD William Villeneuve
LD Mikko Kokkonen – RD Mac Hollowell
LD Marshall Rifai – RD Axel Rindell
LD Carl Dahlstrom (LTIR)

G Joseph Woll – G Erik Kallgren
G Keith Petruzzelli

The defense is very iffy again unfortunately, but I would rather have Kokkonen and Villeneuve work through their lumps than older guys like Rubins and Duszak. If they do work out, then at least there should hopefully be a solid defense there assuming Hollowell and Kral have developed and Mete can be a top notch AHLer.

 

[Mitch nylander]

I wouldn't mind moving a forward for a dman.

either waiver for waiver: IE: Joey Anderson for Lucas Johansen/Nicholas Beaudin... or c-level prospect for c-level prospect ie: Mikhail Abramov for Michael Vukojevic

I think that would stabilize the Marlies D. Allow Rindell/Rifai to refine their games with the growlers. With our deep forward core, I think we can move on from someone.

 

[aingefan]

It’s a pretty interesting group on the Marlies.
Blue chipper in NickRob.
Couple guys with their backs against the wall but actually good resumes. JoeyA, Gaudette, Mete.
A couple of niche forwards with upside who aren’t far off. SDA and Abruzzese.
A few guys with good track records, upside, and control who are close. Holmberg, Steeves, Kral.
A few project role players. Douglas, McMann, Ellis. Two don’t look far off.
Decent prospects with development ahead. Kokkonen, Abramov, Villeneuve.
Gogolev is a wild card. A few interesting AHL contract guys.
Almost more fun to follow than the big team.
Then a nice wave of guys overseas and the NCAA who are very projectable.
This is gonna be my favorite thread, again.

 

[LeafEgo]

Goal scoring across the OHL is fairly high right now. OHL has struggled producing good goalies for a few years now. 2/3 of the best save percentages in the league belong to the two lone Import goalies.

That being said, certainly would not be surprised if we do regret that pick.

That doesn't sound good. Canada is behind the curve on goaltending - looks to be a weakness next world cup. We need some break outs quick.

Any hope we even things up in the next few years?

 

[SeaOfBlue]

That doesn't sound good. Canada is behind the curve on goaltending - looks to be a weakness next world cup. We need some break outs quick.

Any hope we even things up in the next few years?

Sebastian Cossa is certainly the best bet out of guys who are out there right now. He may be the only one with true franchise potential, but there are a few other solid prospects out there.

In the future, I think the pressure lays solely at the feet of Gabriel D'Aigle. NHL size at 15, something that Vincent Filion (the last highly touted guy in the CHL) did not have. He also doesn't need to deal with Covid scheduling.

Canada is still doing better than most developing solid goalies, and Canada usually has the bulk of solid secondary prospects in any given draft, but each top country usually has one really good guy each year and Canada hasn't really had the best guy in too many drafts recently.

 

[LeafEgo]

Sebastian Cossa is certainly the best bet out of guys who are out there right now. He may be the only one with true franchise potential, but there are a few other solid prospects out there.

In the future, I think the pressure lays solely at the feet of Gabriel D'Aigle. NHL size at 15, something that Vincent Filion (the last highly touted guy in the CHL) did not have. He also doesn't need to deal with Covid scheduling.

Canada is still doing better than most developing solid goalies, and Canada usually has the bulk of solid secondary prospects in any given draft, but each top country usually has one really good guy each year and Canada hasn't really had the best guy in too many drafts recently.

Where does Cossa rank across the field at that age group, give or take a year?

 

[SeaOfBlue]

It’s a pretty interesting group on the Marlies.
Blue chipper in NickRob.
Couple guys with their backs against the wall but actually good resumes. JoeyA, Gaudette, Mete.
A couple of niche forwards with upside who aren’t far off. SDA and Abruzzese.
A few guys with good track records, upside, and control who are close. Holmberg, Steeves, Kral.
A few project role players. Douglas, McMann, Ellis. Two don’t look far off.
Decent prospects with development ahead. Kokkonen, Abramov, Villeneuve.
Gogolev is a wild card. A few interesting AHL contract guys.
Almost more fun to follow than the big team.
Then a nice wave of guys overseas and the NCAA who are very projectable.
This is gonna be my favorite thread, again.

It is because we are finally starting to see the fruits of the Dubas drafts rather than trying to scrape whatever we could out of the Hunter drafts (and there was practically nothing to scrape together). Woll will be the only guy from the Hunter drafts still remaining on this team.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Where does Cossa rank across the field at that age group, give or take a year?

Well Cossa was passed up by Garand for Canada U20, but he also led his team to a WHL Championship so who really knows.

It is not like Askarov and Wallstedt haven't had their fair share of shaky moments either.

Knight (USA)
Wallstedt (SWE)
Askarov (RUS)
Cossa (CAN)
---
Blomqvist (FIN)
Commesso (USA)
Garand (CAN)
Levi (CAN)
Wolf (USA)
---
Clang (SWE)
Brennan (CAN)

IDK how you would want to rank the 2nd and 3rd tiers, but I would put Cossa behind Knight, Wallstedt, and Askarov. Canada is not doing too bad I guess, but we have to remember that USA has Oettinger and Demko, Finland has Saros, Russia has Shestyerkin/Sorokin/Vasilevsky, Sweden doesn't really have anyone beyond the aging Markstrom, and Canada really doesn't have anyone either but since the rest of Canada is typically more stacked than any other country, we can typically do well with Jarry or Hart caliber goalies.

 

[LeafEgo]

Well Cossa was passed up by Garand for Canada U20, but he also led his team to a WHL Championship so who really knows.

It is not like Askarov and Wallstedt haven't had their fair share of shaky moments either.

Knight
Askarov
Wallstedt
Cossa
Garand
Levi
Blomqvist
Commesso
Portillo
Daws
Clang
Knight, Askarov, and Wallstedt beat anyone Canada has.
I'd still take Askarov and Wallstedt over anyone Canada has, but I think Cossa and Canada's goalies fall in after that. I don't think anyone Finland has is anything special right now. Certainly some solid prospects in there though.

Thanks, nice to see Canada has majority representation on that list, for what its worth down the line.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Thanks, nice to see Canada has majority representation on that list, for what its worth down the line.

I think Canada still has the general bulk of solid goalies in the NHL, they just are not special. But they are the ones who consistently get churned out.

Russia doesn't produce many great goalies, but the ones they do produce are like the best in the league.

Sweden and Finland has really struggled producing anything recently. Saros is the most recent high end guy for either country, and that was almost a decade ago.

Czechia has churned out some solid goalies, but also not anything special or consistent as Canada.

USA is really the goalie factory right now.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

Scott Ratzlaff was awesome at the Hlinka tournament. He would be one to watch.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Scott Ratzlaff was awesome at the Hlinka tournament. He would be one to watch.

He was strong, but Canada was so dominant that the goalies barely had to do anything. It was an absolute masterclass from start to finish for Canada.

 

[Magic Man]

Why did they sign Max Ellis? His numbers don't appear to be close to good enough for an ELC.

 

[kerk]

Why did they sign Max Ellis? His numbers don't appear to be close to good enough for an ELC.

did you watch pre-season at all or are you just making comments based on looking at his eliteprospects page

 

[Magic Man]

did you watch pre-season at all or are you just making comments based on looking at his eliteprospects page

I watched every game. He wasn't a physical player. He didn't really stand out offensively, which isn't surprising given his production. Is he a defensive specialist? Why was someone like him worthy of an ELC?

 

[4thline]

Re Ellis, top line total isn't great, but he he's hardworking, defensively sound player that was on a pretty strong progression statistically. And even just staying top line he was top 15 in U22 goals in the NCAA.

Of note- it's ridiculously early but Voit is leading the OHL and Moldenhauer the USHL.

 

[andora]

about to watch mr. hildeby in CHL action

 

[supermann_98]

Minten has been solid and unfortunately got injured in training camp but David Goyette right now has 5 goals 5 assists in 5 games.

It's a long season, but I hope the Leafs didn't screw up there.

Goyette was the guy I hoped for at our spot, still a little surprised we didn't take him and even more that he continued to drop after our pick

 

[stickty111]

I watched every game. He wasn't a physical player. He didn't really stand out offensively, which isn't surprising given his production. Is he a defensive specialist? Why was someone like him worthy of an ELC?

Leafs really like their energy hardworking fast types who have some skill. ELC is a but surprising but not a big deal. He'll do well with with the Marlies if his pre season was any indication