Sportsnet: Marleau only wants to play in SJ, will require direct trade or trade to team who buys him out.

[Langdon Alger]

I did not know that and def changes things lol

Well, there is a second buyout window in August I think, but only if you take a player to arbitration. I think that’s the rule anyway. If Marleau is bought out by a team other than Toronto, it would likely end up being before July 1.

 

[namttebih]

it is if you take what kyper says as gospel, I definitely do not.

It makes zero sense, why would we attach Kapanen to Marleau, when we'd be trading Marleau to make space for..... Kapanen.

Yeah, if that's the case it'd be much more intelligent to trade Kapanen for assets and let Marleau finish out his last year.

I am not stressed about this in the least.

 

[Puckclektr]

Marleau and kapanen to NJ for Bos 4th 2020 and NJ 7th 2019
Or marleau and bracco for NJ 7th

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

 

[Dragao6]

You can’t buyout a player after July 1st. The window is from now(June 15th actually) to June 30th. Any team acquiring Marleau is on the hook for the $3M bonus which is why Toronto isn’t getting out of this easy.

That sucks, would it be worth it to leafs to retain some due to the bonus or does that just defeat the purpose?

 

[Michael HOMERUNing]

I can't wait till the Leafs fan base turns on Marner just like they did on Nylander. Or do hometown boys only get love around here?

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Things got a little more interesting now. Alot of fans were gloating saying Dubas is the GOAT when Marleau apparently said he will waive to go to a bunch of West teams.

Alot of those fans bought the garbage of Dubas saying it'd be easy to keep his 4 high dollar forwards together.

 

[Kelly]

If we’re to believe these reports, letting Marleau finish out his last year is not an option.

Having said that, I don’t believe Kypreos here but I do believe that the Leafs can’t keep Marleau.

It a hypothetical to make a point.

Your last sentence makes it seem like you agree with me though, so that's good.

 

[MyBudJT]

I'm not right about what? Can't mutually terminate a multi year 35+ contract?

I’m pretty sure you can. Difference between Marleau and Plekanec(1 year), is that plekanec’s cap hit no longer applied to Montreal. It got wiped clean. Marleau’s wouldn’t on whatever team he’d theoretically be traded to.

 

[Langdon Alger]

This actually lines up more with what I originally heard, though I wasn't surprised to hear of interest in any team out west just to be A) closer to home and B) be as far away from Babcock as possible. I've never interacted directly with Patty, but from what I heard he really dislikes that guy after being there for a few seasons.

That said, if this is indeed all true and he JUST wants to come back to SJ, it contradicts what I also heard about his sentiment towards DW when he left. (he felt a bit wronged by him, similar what Pavs MAYBE is feeling.)

Marleau and Commodore should get together and host a podcast where they trash Babcock.

 

[Leon Draisaitl]

That sucks, would it be worth it to leafs to retain some due to the bonus or does that just defeat the purpose?

If you retain and another team buys the player out, the original team gets a cap penalty as well.

 

[Djp]

Source? Cause I really don’t think you’re right...

The CBA has special rules for contracts on 35 yr or older players.

 

[BB88]

that's prob bad new for leaf fans

How so, he has positive value, a 20 goal scorer cheap

 

[MyBudJT]

The CBA has special rules for contracts on 35 yr or older players.

And it doesn’t say that You cannot mutually terminate that contract. I’m pretty sure.

 

[Leafs87]

Well we can’t afford him (@50%) but I look forward to adding my favorite player for $1m shortly thereafter

Leafs will find him a nice spot in the press box before giving up an asset to help him get what he wants

 

[Dragao6]

If you retain and another team buys the player out, the original team gets a cap penalty as well.

Thanks guys, not too familiar with the details of this stuff. Not suprised rules in place to stop short cuts

 

[Ouroboros]

My proposal would be:

To Toronto: Ben Harpur, Mike Condon and pick 44 in the 2019 draft.

To Ottawa: Patrick Marleau, Kasperi Kapanen and pick 84 in the 2019 draft

The Leafs can buy Condon out which only puts a cap hit of 400k on their books this year and 1.0M next season. Harpur can be buried with no cap impact. They also upgrade a draft pick.

The Senators neutralize the Marleau portion of the trade [3.8M in/3.8M out], get a quality young forward and move down a bit in the draft.

Somewhat similar to the Bickell/Teravainen trade the Canes made a few years back.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

San Jose can't help Toronto, they don't have the cap space.

San Jose is a non-factor here.

Disregard Marleau completely. He's not Patrick Marleau. He is 6.25 million of cap space for the Leafs. The question the Leafs need to answer is, does paying the cost associated with re-acquiring that 6.25 million of cap space make us a better team.

If the cost is Kapanen, they are really acquiring about 10-11 million of cap space because they won't have to pay Kapanen since he won't be on their team anymore.

What is more advantageous for them?

11 million of cap space to allocate to Marner, Gardiner, Johnsson etc.

Or having Marleau and Kapanen on their roster but having to trade other pieces that might be any combination of Marner, Gardiner, Johnsson, etc.

the whole point of moving Marleau is to be able to sign A.J and K.K. We can move Brown and have enough to sign Marner and 1 of the 2 so if it is going to cost us K.K to move Marleau, why not just keep Marleau and move K.K?

 

[Syckle78]

I can't wait till the Leafs fan base turns on Marner just like they did on Nylander. Or do hometown boys only get love around here?

Have you not read any of the marner threads? Dudes a greedy egotistical second fiddle.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

My proposal would be:

To Toronto: Ben Harpur, Mike Condon and pick 44 in the 2019 draft.

To Ottawa: Patrick Marleau, Kasperi Kapanen and pick 84 in the 2019 draft

The Leafs can buy Condon out which only puts a cap hit of 400k on their books this year and 1.0M next season. Harpur can be buried with no cap impact. They also upgrade a draft pick.

The Senators neutralize the Marleau portion of the trade [3.8M in/3.8M out], get a quality young forward and move down a bit in the draft.

Somewhat similar to the Bickell/Teravainen trade the Canes made a few years back.

If KK is needed to move Marleau then no point moving him. We would then just trade KK at full value

 

[Coaches Coroner]

Things got a little more interesting now. Alot of fans were gloating saying Dubas is the GOAT when Marleau apparently said he will waive to go to a bunch of West teams.

The definition of "a lot" used by people who say things like this, does not seem to reflect what "a lot" generally means...people gloating that Dubas is GOAT is news to me, the biggest and loudest portion of the Leafs fan base hates Dubas, and has since at least last summer for various reasons.

 

[Boy Hedican]

He listed his house for sale, i have a feeling there is a deal in place post July 1st.

Ehh, I wouldn't necessarily count on a deal already being in place, but who knows. His wife and kids have for sure moved back here (or are doing so) and he will retire here, so no point in keeping a large house even if he spends the final year there.

 

[Syckle78]

Leafs will find him a nice spot in the press box before giving up an asset to help him get what he wants

And he'll collect his millions or retire. Clearly playing a final year isn't his main priority.

 

[Michael HOMERUNing]

Have you not read any of the marner threads? Dudes a greedy egotistical second fiddle.

I'm talking about the casual fan, not HF one.

 

[Patty Ice]

How about something structured around Dillon and Kapanen involved?