Marc Methot - "The Sens Will End Up Regretting Zub's Contract - He'll End Up A Third Pairing Guy"

[Pinto Bean]

Methot does make quite a few claims, but from what I've seen (watching podcasts) he does give valid reasonings as to why he feels this way.

When it comes to Branny, he does say he is decent and is comparable to Sandin BUT with the Sens, there is just no place for him in areas where he'd likely really excel due to being lower in the pecking order. He also has an obvious preference to bigger guys (Pumps up Kleven a lot) so it makes sense why he'd be lower on Branny then some.

When it comes to Zub, all he really says is that Zub had an incredible first year and a less-great second year. Is this true? I think we can all agree that it is true. He mentions it might be because of injuries but it could also be because he's settled in now and not running on the adrenaline of being a new guy. Is this a reasonable assumption? Of course it is. And again, he mentions Zub not being a huge guy which we already know, is a bit of an ick for Methot who has the preference for big dmen.

So does it make sense that Meth might see him as a 3rd pairing guy based on what he's seen and the preferences he has? I would say so.

Although you guys might not agree with his surface level opinions, his reasonings for these opinions have some substance to it.

 

[Adrianopolous]

This idea that all he was is a suitable partner for Karlsson is nonsense. He went pretty much the whole lockout year without Karlsson when cooke sliced him and was carrying Gryba, he was a very effective defensive defensman with or without Karlsson,

Methot worked well because he was a good player,

Methot brought a sense of safety and security in me that not many Dman have brought out since TBH

 

[BankStreetParade]

The answer lies somewhere in between Methot's take and the wildly inflated sense of value for a fan favourite. You could describe Zub as inconsistent but dependable. He doesn't have a lot of plus checkmarks on his skill set but he gets the job done, more often than not. Is it probable he'll wind up on the 3rd pair at some point during his contract? Doesn't sound that far off, especially when you consider young legs are high currency in today's league. He'll be 28 at the start of his 4-year term and while that seems pretty young in the grand scheme of things, he's not a plus skater so there's an assumption his physical skills will gradually decline.

Also, is it crazy to imagine these could be pairings next year?

Sanderson-Chychrun/Chabot
Brannstrom-Chabot/Chychrun
Kleven[or X]-Zub

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

The answer lies somewhere in between Methot's take and the wildly inflated sense of value for a fan favourite. You could describe Zub as inconsistent but dependable. He doesn't have a lot of plus checkmarks on his skill set but he gets the job done, more often than not. Is it probable he'll wind up on the 3rd pair at some point during his contract? Doesn't sound that far off, especially when you consider young legs are high currency in today's league. He'll be 28 at the start of his 4-year term and while that seems pretty young in the grand scheme of things, he's not a plus skater so there's an assumption his physical skills will gradually decline.

Also, is it crazy to imagine these could be pairings next year?

Sanderson-Chychrun/Chabot
Brannstrom-Chabot/Chychrun
Kleven[or X]-Zub

I'm a Zub fan but I don't mind that lineup option at all.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

This idea that all he was is a suitable partner for Karlsson is nonsense. He went pretty much the whole lockout year without Karlsson when cooke sliced him and was carrying Gryba, he was a very effective defensive defensman with or without Karlsson,

Methot worked well because he was a good player,

He was clearly the 2nd best dman pretty much his entire tenure with the Senators. Can't imagine having a problem with his play, especially in contrast to his teammates of those years.

 

[sxvnert]

Chabot - Chychrun
Sanderson - Dumba
Kleven - Zub
Holden - Hamonic

Thats a proper top eight

Package the rest (Brännström, JBD, Thomson,etc) for help at forward & goal.

 

[Dionysus]

Chabot - Chychrun
Sanderson - Dumba
Kleven - Zub
Holden - Hamonic

Thats a proper top eight

Package the rest (Brännström, JBD, Thomson,etc) for help at forward & goal.

Holden won't be back.

 

[bicboi64]

Chabot - Chychrun
Sanderson - Dumba
Kleven - Zub
Holden - Hamonic

Thats a proper top eight

Package the rest (Brännström, JBD, Thomson,etc) for help at forward & goal.

Cant see Dumba signing here unless he takes a severe discount in salary, and if he wants to sign here, we'll have a harder time signing Cat unless we choose to go for Sogaard/Forsberg duo.

 

[Sun God Nika]

Zub is better than Dumba

 

[God Says No]

Chabot - Chychrun
Sanderson - Dumba
Kleven - Zub
Holden - Hamonic

Thats a proper top eight

Package the rest (Brännström, JBD, Thomson,etc) for help at forward & goal.

Holden needs to retire. You lost all credibility by mentioning him.

 

[swiftwin]

IMO, Methot is definitely going for a click-baity hot take here.

I generally agree him that the fanbase is massively overrating him. He's not a top pairing guy. But he's not bottom pair guy either. He's a perfectly fine #4.

Chabot-Chychrun
Sanderson-Zub
Brannstrom-Hamonic

Then JBD, Thomson or Kleven duke it out in training camp make the team. JBD/Thomson would have the inside track over Kleven since they are waiver eligible, but if Kleven really really wows us, he could be the #6, shifting Brann to RD, and Hamonic to the #7. Otherwise, the better of JBD/Thomson should make the team as a #7.

 

[Cosmix]

Holden won't be back.

Dumba is a UFA this summer, turns age 29 in July, 6'0, 180 lbs, current $6M AAV. Can we afford him?

 

[Cosmix]

IMO, Methot is definitely going for a click-baity hot take here.

I generally agree him that the fanbase is massively overrating him. He's not a top pairing guy. But he's not bottom pair guy either. He's a perfectly fine #4.

Chabot-Chychrun
Sanderson-Zub
Brannstrom-Hamonic

Then JBD, Thomson or Kleven duke it out in training camp make the team. JBD/Thomson would have the inside track over Kleven since they are waiver eligible, but if Kleven really really wows us, he could be the #6, shifting Brann to RD, and Hamonic to the #7. Otherwise, the better of JBD/Thomson should make the team as a #7.

It is interesting that JBD and Thomson have not wowed us yet; neither has Klevin. Brannstrom and Hamonic will have to be signed, or another D obtained via UFA or trade. Training camp will be interesting to see who excels to win the roster positions.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

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[BonHoonLayneCornell]

It's a shame that you seem to need to have hot takes to get attention. I don't even fault Methot for it knowing that's just how the business works. Basketball is the worst for this.

 

[coladin]

I don't mind what he said, because his rationale is Kleven will push him down. Is that not a good thing?

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

I don't mind what he said, because his rationale is Kleven will push him down. Is that not a good thing?

There's a difference between someone pushing Zub down to the third pair and "regretting the contract". If kleven beasts into the top 4, we'll have no RHD in the top 4, but that wouldn't make us regret a contract to a very solid top 4 dman.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

There's a difference between someone pushing Zub down to the third pair and "regretting the contract". If kleven beasts into the top 4, we'll have no RHD in the top 4, but that wouldn't make us regret a contract to a very solid top 4 dman.

Exactly. How could you "regret" such an inconsequential contract to a guy that's played as well as he has so far. Most good teams don't worry about it. They sign their good players and shuffle the deck when necessary. The roster construction is never perfect and if a guy gets pushed out, but is a tradable asset, that can be a good thing too. What you don't want is to end up with guys that literally aren't worth their pay and become untradeable like say Zack Smith and Dion Phaneuf.

 

[coladin]

Regret, only when looking at the dollar figure. O

Exactly. How could you "regret" such an inconsequential contract to a guy that's played as well as he has so far. Most good teams don't worry about it. They sign their good players and shuffle the deck when necessary. The roster construction is never perfect and if a guy gets pushed out, but is a tradable asset, that can be a good thing too. What you don't want is to end up with guys that literally aren't worth their pay and become untradeable like say Zack Smith and Dion Phaneuf.

Obviously, if Zub becomes Zub again, and Kleven passes him...that will be the best defence corps in the league. Zub was not good this year, even before he broke his face

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Regret, only when looking at the dollar figure. O

Obviously, if Zub becomes Zub again, and Kleven passes him...that will be the best defence corps in the league. Zub was not good this year, even before he broke his face

That's fair. He struggled to both stay in the lineup and perform well when he did, but I felt like his play often fluctuated with the teams performance and having a year of injuries can throw a lot off. I'm confident its a non issue unless the injuries continue to pile up.

 

[God Says No]

Regret, only when looking at the dollar figure. O

Obviously, if Zub becomes Zub again, and Kleven passes him...that will be the best defence corps in the league. Zub was not good this year, even before he broke his face

How does Kleven push Zub down? They play on opposite sides. The only way Zub gets pushed down is if Chychrun plays RD and we sign a UFA who is better than Zub.

 

[bicboi64]

If Kleven finds a way to push Zub down, that means he'll become our #1RD. If that somehow happens, words can't explain how much of a homerun this pick will be.

 

[coladin]

If Kleven finds a way to push Zub down, that means he'll become our #1RD. If that somehow happens, words can't explain how much of a homerun this pick will be.

I think Meth had Chabot - Chycrun, Sanderson - Kleven, Brannstrom - Zub. That is wowzers

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I think Meth had Chabot - Chycrun, Sanderson - Kleven, Brannstrom - Zub. That is wowzers

 

[armani]

Chabot - Chychrun (22-24 minutes)
Sanderson - Zub (20-22 minutes)
Brann/Kleven - Hammer/Brann/JBD (14-16 minutes)

The defence is ok, becomes more than adequate in front of a legit starter. Sanderson will continue to evolve, he has yet to grow fully!