Marc Bergevin: Draft? Edition (XIV)

[Frank JT]

Being high on his list doesn't necessarily equal being his pick. There were other players high on his list.

I remember Timmins said that he really liked Kreider, but Gainey wanted to stay away from americans, after Fischer (bust), Paccioretty and McDonagh (were not performing well at that time).

 

[peate]

André Savard should have been head honcho a long time ago.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

André Savard should have been head honcho a long time ago.

Savard probably had too much of the nordiques stink left on him for Gainey's taste to keep him around.

 

[Deebs]

Craig Button has a couple videos up on TSN talking about Perfetti and Rossi. He compared their style of play to Panarin and Backstrom respectively.

 

[malcb33]

10 picks last yer, 14 picks this year, 11 next year....we need to get quality over quantity at this point.

Either a: trade picks to move up in the draft or b: trade picks to next years (1, 2, 3) to offset the loss of picks is he can pull off an offer sheet.

Berg is playing penny slots.....

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Craig Button has a couple videos up on TSN talking about Perfetti and Rossi. He compared their style of play to Panarin and Backstrom respectively.

I tinker with my trait titles as well, but Buttons this year don’t make a ton of sense. Skating, hockey sense (IQ), compete are standard, but your last two are scoring and shot? Really?

speaking of titling traits, considering changing “compete” to “scrappiness” to give me 5 Ss: size, skating, sense, and skill are the others for me. I actually divide each of those into 2 subsets:

Size (length/strength)
Skating (speed/agility)
Sense (playmaking/IQ)
Skill (hands/shot)
Compete (effort/edge)

I do like Button though. I respect the guys who do their own work and stick to their guns and avoid the group think so many fall victim to.

 

[Big Empty]

I really miss the playoffs. The 2013-2015 playoffs were a lot of fun. I miss that team. Subban won a Norris. Price won the Hart. We went to the ECF. We won our division twice. Good times.

 

[donghabs98]

I really miss the playoffs. The 2013-2015 playoffs were a lot of fun. I miss that team. Subban won a Norris. Price won the Hart. We went to the ECF. We won our division twice. Good times.

Those teams were fun to watch. The 2015 season was such a waste though. Bergevin had Price on a historic run and a team that needed goal scoring to help him. All he did to help that was add Mitchell and Flynn. We got Petry but we should have added another scorer. Same thing in 2017, the team was a top of the division and lacked scoring problems so Bergevin goes out and adds Ott and King and Martinsen.

Bergevin is too conservative in instances when we need to be aggressive. Trading picks and prospects is always a gamble but staying pat is too considering how ee watched so many of our prospects during that 2014-2017 period bust. Its why I lack confidence in Bergevin actually managing this team amd doing what is needed when we are actually ready to contend.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Those teams were fun to watch. The 2015 season was such a waste though. Bergevin had Price on a historic run and a team that needed goal scoring to help him. All he did to help that was add Mitchell and Flynn. We got Petry but we should have added another scorer. Same thing in 2017, the team was a top of the division and lacked scoring problems so Bergevin goes out and adds Ott and King and Martinsen.

Bergevin is too conservative in instances when we need to be aggressive. Trading picks and prospects is always a gamble but staying pat is too considering how ee watched so many of our prospects during that 2014-2017 period bust. Its why I lack confidence in Bergevin actually managing this team amd doing what is needed when we are actually ready to contend.

And that is why his trade record doesn't look bad. Like in poker, if you never take risks, you'll rarely lose out, but you'll also rarely get the big pot. You'll also be highly predictable. Conservative players are the easiest to play against, because you know they'll only bet if they have something strong on the table, so you can push them off most pots.

Want proof of this? Go to a big US city's casino's low end tables after 1st of the month, you'll make a killing by using table position to push early into each pot.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Mediocrity will never end. Embrace it, friends.

 

[Seb]

Mediocrity will never end. Embrace it, friends.

I fear my true interest in the team will never come back. I honestly don't know how Leafs and Oilers fans have been doing it. The alienation is real.

 

[CrAzYNiNe]

What else is he going to say? The fact that hes still around doesn't bode well for Habs fans that actually want to see this franchise compete for a cup and not just compete for the playoffs. 2 more offseason and 2 more seasons of this numbskull before hopefully his contract expires and they go another way.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

I do get a chuckle at the use of 'experienced'. Of course he is. He's been kept on years past his due date by the same man who's calling him 'experienced'. How am I suppose to take this comment seriously? His only experience is with your team.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I do get a chuckle at the use of 'experienced'. Of course he is. He's been kept on years past his due date by the same man who's calling him 'experienced'. How am I suppose to take this comment seriously? His only experience is with your team.

I'd be an experienced CEO too if someone hired me and refused to fire me despite consistently failing to meet ANY of my objectives.

 

[CrAzYNiNe]

Mediocrity will never end. Embrace it, friends.

I won't. It hurts that my son is now starting to recognize sports and I refuse to show him the Habs. I don't even know what I am doing here...

 

[CheldishGamibno]

Mediocrity will never end. Embrace it, friends.

ouch! I will repeat what I've always said: As long as the Molsons are in this organization, the Habs will keep being mediocre.
How many years it that? Probably way too long. Enjoy the ride, friends!

 

[jackeymoon]

I won't. It hurts that my son is now starting to recognize sports and I refuse to show him the Habs. I don't even know what I am doing here...

Same. I don't even show him hockey, just UFC and Boxing because fat privileged imbeciles like Molson are excluded from those sports

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I won't. It hurts that my son is now starting to recognize sports and I refuse to show him the Habs. I don't even know what I am doing here...

Some time ago I hypothesized that Geoff Molson does not see he is shooting himself in the foot in terms of assuring long term continuity for the brand, as the next generation of Habs fans might become much smaller with so many of our generation becoming apathetic to what this team has become. We just won't transmit the passion of it. His financial success comes off riding the coat tails of the team's rich history and the last generation of habs fans who've witnessed a cup as youngsters. If he doesn't right the ship and ownership doesn't change their top priority of profit, the next generation of habs fans will be pale in comparison to those of its glorious past.

 

[CrAzYNiNe]

Some time ago I hypothesized that Geoff Molson does not see he is shooting himself in the foot in terms of assuring long term continuity for the brand, as the next generation of Habs fans might become much smaller with so many of our generation becoming apathetic to what this team has become. We just won't transmit the passion of it. His financial success comes off riding the coat tails of the team's rich history and the last generation of habs fans who've witnessed a cup as youngsters. If he doesn't right the ship and ownership doesn't change their top priority of profit, the next generation of habs fans will be pale in comparison to those of its glorious past.

I already see it with my nephews who like players more than teams. The Habs brand of continued success and championships is gone. 27 years and counting. Talk of the glory days is over.

 

[ahmedou]

Experienced because of Molson.

Respected only by Molson.

 

[ahmedou]

 

[CHfan1]

Article on Bergevin’s top 5 mistakes:

1. Not building around original core
2. Not getting a top centre for Subban
3. Drouin trade
4. Alzner
5. Markov situation

https://thehockeywriters.com/canadiens-bergevin-5-biggest-mistakes/

 

[OldCraig71]

Article on Bergevin’s top 5 mistakes:

1. Not building around original core
2. Not getting a top centre for Subban
3. Drouin trade
4. Alzner
5. Markov situation

https://thehockeywriters.com/canadiens-bergevin-5-biggest-mistakes/

The Radulov situation
The Dwight King and 50 0ther scrub situation(s)
The backup situation
The left side of the D situation
The AHL situation
The Therrien situation
The DD situation
The Carey Price contract situation
The rushing players before they are ready situation
The non rebuild or go for it situation
I could keep going but I am tired.

 

[Runner77]

Article on Bergevin’s top 5 mistakes:

1. Not building around original core
2. Not getting a top centre for Subban
3. Drouin trade
4. Alzner
5. Markov situation

https://thehockeywriters.com/canadiens-bergevin-5-biggest-mistakes/

5B. Skipping leg days.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

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