Marc-Andre Fleury Appreciation

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    Other posters already pretty much shot down your arguments. I just wanted to point out the irony of the bolded part.

    I also want you to read this, just in case you missed it since the poster didn't quote you:

     
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    I've been saying he's a guaranteed Hall of Famer for about 5 years I think. Hate him all you want he'll be in that club and at the end of the day that's all that matters to most players. If he ends up 2nd in wins ahead of Roy though it'll be a riot.
     
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    They had a 15-10-3 because of MAF

    w/o him, they absolutely would have been like the Ducks of today. And that hot streak they went on after firing Johnston would not have been good enough to get them in, if MAF hadn't stood on his head to a 15-10-3 start.
     
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    Look dude. I provided a counterargument to your extremely flawed and misleading argument. You created the narrative. Me pointing out the flaws in your narrative isn't irony. Go buy a dictionary.

    Appreciate you quoting the post about Roy. FWIW, there is some good info in there, as well as some misleading info (though not nearly as misleading as what you keep spouting off). Also, I'm not arguing that MAF is comparable to Roy. Roy is one of the 2 greatest goalies of all time. Someone else brought up Roy, and I merely pointed out that Fleury isn't exactly chopped liver by comparison.

    Have a good day. Please don't reply to this post, because I will only lose brain cells if I accidently end up reading it.
     
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    No, they wouldn't. Before their last game the Ducks were tied for the worst goal-scoring pace since 1940. The Pens were merely underperforming and playing a dumb defensive system which didn't utilize the team's strengths.

    And in any event, if MAF had played worse, Johnston would probably have been canned sooner and the Pens would have made the playoffs even more easily. ;)
     
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    You brought up a very small stretch of MAF's career where he allegedly was head and shoulders above rest of the team and you expect me to fold? You're actually proving my point. That's why the wins statistic is so flawed, you couldn't tell from that stat alone that MAF was better than his average self during that time. You actually provided some context to his winning season when others never do that when they throw that stupid stat around. That's my point. And based on his playoffs history so far, he was more than likely to blow Penguins' chances in the playoffs rather than secure the Cup. The bottomline is, he didn't play and the Penguins won the Cup regardless.

    You're clearly out of your league here hence the need to try and get personal, but I can take it. It's childish, but I don't mind. I've done it myself occasionally - never helps though, just like in your case.
     
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    The guy was brilliant in the mini series against Colorado.

    He actually looks as athletic as ever. Crazy.
     
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    As a Pens fan, I miss good Fleury. To bad he's only good about half the time.
     
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    I really appreciate the guy. One of the very few that makes goaltending position bearable to watch.

    In general this era of 'cardboard cutout' goaltending is not my cup of tea. Every time I hear 'positionaly sound', 'efficient movement' and 'able to maintain compact shape', a little bit of my spirit dies.
     
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    As opposed to all the goalie in the NHL that have never got a sniff.

    Fleury was great in the play offs in 09 Cup win. Had well know melt downs in years following. Was fantastic in 016 beating the Caps in game 7 in Washington with a shut out (playing great for the first two rounds). They dont win the 016 Cup with out his stellar play. Marc was lights out fantastic carrying the Knights to the finals in 018.
    No one is saying he is Marty Broduer , but he is going to the Hall of Fame none the less.
     
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    Envy....... aint it ugly.
     
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    Lots more have won piss all and zero Cups.
     
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    He's been a great story this year for sure. Another Stanley Cup ring will look good on him. :thumbu:
     
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    Also, he was very good, if shy of fantastic, in 18-19, and his father dying put him in the mud last season and he STILL batted over .900, though .905 tied for his worst since his first two years in the league. When you play a mental position, things like that can really screw you up.
     
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    I admire your sunny optimism. :)
     
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    Even more reasons for me to wish him continued success.
    Thanks
     
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    Vegas in tough division but they are a Cup contender for sure.

    Petrangelo a fantastic addition.
     
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    Fleury has been a solid goalie with a solid career but never have I seen him as being top 5 goalie over the course of his career. I honestly don't think he should be in the HHOF but if he does then Luongo better be in as well. So far this season Fleury looks like he wants to get himself a Vezina before he retires.
     
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    The Knights as a team look better with him in net as well
     
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    2 things depends on Fleurys chances for the Vezina this season.

    1. Of course Fleury himself
    2. Deboer

    If Deboer goes back to goalie rotation he has been using when Lehner comes back, i could see that hindering Fleurys chances at a Vezina even if he keeps up this type of play all season.
     
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    Still sad that the Pens traded him. What a mistake that was...
     
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    I think they were just banking on Murray or Jerry.

    Obviously Murray didn't work out.

    There is still time for Jerry to become a starter.
     
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    Which speaks lengths of how inconsistent he is in his game. When he's hot, he's great. When he's cold, teams want to give up on him, because he can be THAT unreliable.

    Pittsburgh gave him away in the draft. They BEGGED Vegas to take him. Then Vegas wanted to replace him with Lehner and just get rid of him.

    Fleury ON: He's a top tier goalie
    Fleury OFF: The GM looks for his shovel

    That doesn't exactly smell like HHOF material to me. Too much OFF if all franchices he has played for have genuinely doubted him to THAT extent. His lowest capacity kills his consistency. Again, not HHOF. He has been fortunate enough to play for two very good teams. On a mediocre to bad team, it probably would've been much worse.
     
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    Traded him? He was claimed by Vegas in the expansion draft because back-to-back Stanley Cup Champion starter Matt Murray was clearly seen as a better and more cost effective goalie for the foreseeable future.

    People need to stop with this nonsense. I swear some people would trade the Cup wins from 2016 and 2017 just so they could have certain players playing on this team indefinitely.
     
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    He’s better than Lehner ever will be and he’s first ballot HoF.
     
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