TSN: Maple Leafs have offers for D Franson (prefer to re-sign him)

[The Examiner]

Troy Bodie was given the same opportunity and made the most of it. That's how a reward system works!

Bodie is also 29 years old and had over 100 games of NHL experience. It also helped that he had to clear waivers and had a cap hit that was at least $250,000 less than any of the Marlie youngsters. Plus Tim Leiweke.

As well as Bodie played last year, he was given more of a chance because of Tim, his cap hit and other factors. Let's not forget that he was down right awful some games and any of the Marlies youngsters, given ample opportunity, would probably have fit in just as well. They all would have been better than Clarkson, that's for sure.

 

[JackJ]

Franson just needs to be insulated with a mobile-ish

or we can rid ourselves from that liability and bring in defenceman who can actually play D at a fraction of the cost

 

[HonestHockey*]

Bodie is also 29 years old and had over 100 games of NHL experience. It also helped that he had to clear waivers and had a cap hit that was at least $250,000 less than any of the Marlie youngsters. Plus Tim Leiweke.

As well as Bodie played last year, he was given more of a chance because of Tim, his cap hit and other factors. Let's not forget that he was down right awful some games and any of the Marlies youngsters, given ample opportunity, would probably have fit in just as well. They all would have been better than Clarkson, that's for sure.

Sorry man. Bodie made the most of limited time. The Ashton experiment should be over, D'Amigo was below average and Holland played what 2-3 ok games. None played anywhere near the level of Bodie. Point is. There are better players at better prices than guys people just wanna hand a job too.

 

[HonestHockey*]

ashton played 3 minutes with Orr and McLaren, what legit shot did he get this season?

Ashton had several games over 10 mins something Orr nor McLaren received yet he scored the same amount of goals as Orr. Make the most of your minutes and they'll increase.

 

[HonestHockey*]

True but I think Bodie provided the team something they desperately needed. A pulse.
Actually I thought all the Marlies call-ups played well. Some generally do play well for 5-10 games though and tail off. Guess we'll see........maybe

This is right on.

 

[Pinto]

Bodie is also 29 years old and had over 100 games of NHL experience. It also helped that he had to clear waivers and had a cap hit that was at least $250,000 less than any of the Marlie youngsters. Plus Tim Leiweke.

As well as Bodie played last year, he was given more of a chance because of Tim, his cap hit and other factors. Let's not forget that he was down right awful some games and any of the Marlies youngsters, given ample opportunity, would probably have fit in just as well. They all would have been better than Clarkson, that's for sure.

I was against the Bodie signing at first too, but he definitely earned another look with his play this year. Provided the team with a lot of energy which was sorely lacking from the rest of the forward group, and showed more offense then I thought he had.

I have no issue with giving Bodie another 1-2 year deal, if our youngsters can't beat him out of a job then we have a bigger problem. Worst comes to worst, we demote him, it's not like he's going to command a big salary.

 

[Super Mega]

or we can rid ourselves from that liability and bring in defenceman who can actually play D at a fraction of the cost

and lose fransons offensive skill set? you wont find anyone close to Franson with better defensive skill at a fraction of the cost - that would be nearing elite territory.

the key is to get the best out of your talent, using players the right way and cap management is how you build strong teams - sometimes that means accepting a players shortcomings and finding a way to use him so those shortcomings are not so glaring. Ultimately you can get that piece for much cheaper than a complete version.

 

[The Examiner]

I was against the Bodie signing at first too, but he definitely earned another look with his play this year. Provided the team with a lot of energy which was sorely lacking from the rest of the forward group, and showed more offense then I thought he had.

I have no issue with giving Bodie another 1-2 year deal, if our youngsters can't beat him out of a job then we have a bigger problem. Worst comes to worst, we demote him, it's not like he's going to command a big salary.

I never said I was against the signing. I'm just trying to point out that Bodie is in a different situation than the younger Marlies. I doubt he would be missed. Anyways, this a Franson thread so I'll leave it at that.

Franson needs to go. Nice guy but this team needs to move on from him.

 

[Warden of the North]

and lose fransons offensive skill set? you wont find anyone close to Franson with better defensive skill at a fraction of the cost - that would be nearing elite territory.

the key is to get the best out of your talent, using players the right way and cap management is how you build strong teams - sometimes that means accepting a players shortcomings and finding a way to use him so those shortcomings are not so glaring. Ultimately you can get that piece for much cheaper than a complete version.

Franson is fine in bottom pairing ES minutes with PP time. The issue is he if going to want top 3, if not top pairing money, which he is certainly not worth. Given his stubborn contract difficulties in the past, that is a recipe for moving on from him. Especially considering Rielly is coming in hot and is on the precipice of breaking out offensively. Also consider we could probably sign Brennan for significantly cheaper to play on the bottom pairing and PP if we wanted.

 

[therealkoho]

If you think floating a message out into social media is more desperate than picking up the phone and calling every other GM out there, then this problem is easily solved. You and I have simply have a different opinion on social cues. We can just agree to disagree. Especially since we're having the discussion of asking more for Franson's return - these are second round phone calls. 58 phones calls versus one tweet. And you're choosing the tweet as desperate.

Now you're just bending the truth. Despite all the BS Dreger comes up with, he still has more connections to the NHL than you or I. Attention seeking and non-credible, sure. But I wouldn't call him an amateur.
Also, when has Dreger CLOSED A DEAL?! He made one tweet. I would hardly constitute that as closing a deal.

the notion that Nonis is using him as a conduit to close a deal is what I stated not that Dreger has anything to do with making deals?

But hey, anything to make your point across right?

isn't that what you did above?

As for the relationship of Dreger and Nonis - I doubt they have Sunday dinners together. I'm not very close with my second cousins at all. But I also don't work in a specialized billion dollar industry (as you like to point out for no reason) where my job could be aided by another family member's position as a third party. If we both benefit, why not use this connection? Better him than some stranger.

so where was this familial connection(?) when Dave was General managing the Nux? Nonis does not need Dreger in fact quite the opposite of that is true

There's so much superfluous verbal junk in your posts that does nothing to enhance your points. I'm not sure what $$$ has to do with desperation. I'm also not sure why cavemen are being brought up in a hockey discussion. It almost seems like you to hear yourself talk.

superfluous is superfluous innit, the cavemen were illustration and why would I need to explain this?

from the TSN website http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=455491

Back to Backstrom

Teams in need of a veteran presence in net may have something to talk about with Minnesota Wild GM Chuck Fletcher.

Michael Russo of the Minneapolis Star Tribune writes that Fletcher "may be willing to retain salary and cap space to trade goalie Niklas Backstrom, who is recovering well from season-ending abdominal and hip surgeries."

Along with centre Kyle Brodziak, Fletcher may be a prime candidate to make some moves leading up to, or on Draft Day itself.

But Fletcher admits that it's tough to get things done before hitting the draft floor.

"Everyone calls everybody," Fletcher told Russo. "You don't see a whole bunch of trades the week prior to the draft. It's all about trying to figure out who your likely dance partners can be the week at the draft. It'll take a move or two to get the ball rolling, and then there's usually a domino-type effect. We're not there yet."

direct quote from an NHL GM, one of them professional guys who are paid to run a hockey team

unlike unpaid amateurs like ourselves and that includes Dreglund in that regard, he is paid to generate interest in TSN reportage, thats it thats all.

BTW you're absolutely right that we can disagree on this, I just don't buy into the myth created by a guy(the defacto Nonis mouthpiece) purely to enhance his own profile.

I've met the wee egoist at a golf tournament, he is known as FIGJAM amongst several of his peers and more then a few current and ex-players, and has guaranteed never walked by a mirror he didn't pause in front of!

I also get paid to write, and maybe why my posts seem to come off as wordy, I suppose I could say that I once met Kurt Vonnegut Jr(in the early 80's), but then I suppose, I'd have to write in the fantasy genre to give that connection any validity

 

[ACC1224]

the notion that Nonis is using him as a conduit to close a deal is what I stated in regard to the insinuation of Nonis using him?



isn't that what you're doing?



so where was this connection(?) when Dave was General managing the Nux?



superfluous is superfluous innit

from the TSN website http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=455491


direct quote from an NHL GM, one of them professional guys who are paid to run a hockey team

unlike unpaid amateurs like ourselves and that includes Dreglund when it comes to running hockey teams.

You're absolutely right that we can disagree on this, I just don't buy into the myth created by a guy(he being the Nonis mouthpiece) only to enhance his own profile.

I've met the wee egoist at a golf tournament, he is known as FIGJAM amongst several of his peers and more then a few current and ex-players, and has never walked by a mirror he didn't pause in front of!

I also get paid to write, and maybe why my posts seem to come off as wordy, I suppose I could say that I once met Kurt Vonnegut Jr(in the early 80's), but then I suppose, I'd have to write in the fantasy genre to give that connection any validity

Haven't heard that expression in a long time. Listening to him speak, he always struck me as one

 

[daveleaf]

So what's the big rush to move Franson out?

If the rumor is true and Dion is being shopped for a top pic, why night keep the big guy and let him play. He's not a bottom pairing guy, he's a solid 2nd pairing player. He has his warts but who doesn't. I believe with better coaching and better positioning he would be far more effective.

 

[masarume]

the notion that Nonis is using him as a conduit to close a deal is what I stated not that Dreger has anything to do with making deals?

isn't that what you did above?

so where was this familial connection(?) when Dave was General managing the Nux? Nonis does not need Dreger in fact quite the opposite of that is true

unlike unpaid amateurs like ourselves and that includes Dreglund in that regard, he is paid to generate interest in TSN reportage, thats it thats all.

BTW you're absolutely right that we can disagree on this, I just don't buy into the myth created by a guy(the defacto Nonis mouthpiece) purely to enhance his own profile.

I've met the wee egoist at a golf tournament, he is known as FIGJAM amongst several of his peers and more then a few current and ex-players, and has guaranteed never walked by a mirror he didn't pause in front of!

Now I'm not exactly sure when Dreger married into the family, but back when Nonis was with the Canucks was the last time Dreger was actually accurate. I know there's a difference between causation and correlation but it's interesting to note.
Dreger being like how you described does not surprise me at all.

I used direct quotes from you to make a point, nothing else.

I think our views are just different. I understand where you're coming from but I just feel your points aren't that strong given the social media age we live in. I'm not saying Nonis is using Dreger like a puppet and doing all his bidding for him. I just think he leaks out tiny bits of info for Dreger to stay afloat in the business. At the end of the day, it's one tweet. I think it's mutually beneficial for both parties. One gets a media outlet without being quoted, while another creates static information for the league to decipher.

It just seems more efficient to spread generic information through the media. Especially when it's something as simple as, "my guy isn't getting enough value, he's going to be taken off the market if the offers don't improve".
I'm sure Nonis is not allergic to the telephone. He has to make the specific calls himself when he's settling or working on a deal. This IS a billion dollar industry. Face-to-face is a necessity to sign/re-sign a player. I'm not suggesting he negotiates 100% via twitter here.

 

[Cap'n Flavour]

So what's the big rush to move Franson out?

If the rumor is true and Dion is being shopped for a top pic, why night keep the big guy and let him play. He's not a bottom pairing guy, he's a solid 2nd pairing player. He has his warts but who doesn't. I believe with better coaching and better positioning he would be far more effective.

His contract is up and the Leafs have cap troubles thanks to certain... acquisitions.

Franson isn't a solid 2nd pairing player, he's a slow, mediocre defenseman with decent passing ability and a good shot. His best season (12-13) was as a 3rd pairing PP specialist.

 

[darrylsittler27]

Fransion wants a raise?

His contract is up and the Leafs have cap troubles thanks to certain... acquisitions.

Franson isn't a solid 2nd pairing player, he's a slow, mediocre defenseman with decent passing ability and a good shot. His best season (12-13) was as a 3rd pairing PP specialist.

And he wants a raise after the season he had, not gonna happen.

The Clarkson move and the cap not going up much puts the crimper on Nonnis' spending ability. Shanahan will hopefully stop the overspending on bad players policy.

 

[draeko17]

And he wants a raise after the season he had, not gonna happen.

The Clarkson move and the cap not going up much puts the crimper on Nonnis' spending ability. Shanahan will hopefully stop the overspending on bad players policy.

I haven't seen anything where it states that Cody Franson is looking for a raise, other than speculation. Do we know this to be factual or just supposition?

 

[Purity*]

I haven't seen anything where it states that Cody Franson is looking for a raise, other than speculation. Do we know this to be factual or just supposition?

If he wanted big money this was his season to prove it, and he blew it instead.

 

[ShaneFalco]

If he wanted big money this was his season to prove it, and he blew it instead.

Sure did

 

[masarume]

I haven't seen anything where it states that Cody Franson is looking for a raise, other than speculation. Do we know this to be factual or just supposition?

I guess in that sense, does any RFA or UFA come out to the public asking for a raise?
He just lead the leafs blue line in scoring and was 2nd in the league in shots. I doubt he'll be happy with 2 million.

Heck, I'd take him back at 2 million.

 

[draeko17]

I guess in that sense, does any RFA or UFA come out to the public asking for a raise?
He just lead the leafs blue line in scoring and was 2nd in the league in shots. I doubt he'll be happy with 2 million.

Heck, I'd take him back at 2 million.

As would I. But I'm don't think he's as bad as some people on this site seem to. It's just unfortunate that him asking for a raise is being discussed as something that is a fact and not just what we would expect. Saying that Franson is asking for a raise is not quite the same as Cody will probably be asking for a raise because he will be a UFA and of course he will be wanting more money because in the past he has asked for more money than the Leafs were willing to offer.

 

[darrylsittler27]

Why wouldn't he ask for a raise?

He will be testing free agency soon and should easily get $3M on the market. But is he worth $3M to us ? Unless we start unloading some of our many bad contracts I don't see how we can afford him.

Phaneuff,Gleason,Lupul,Clarkson and Kessel are a huge part of our payroll and have proven to be more or less junk.Soon guys like Gardiner,Kadri,Bernier will be lining up for their retirement packages too.The Leafs are in a mess, we need young cheap guys to put in.When you make massive mistakes like the Leafs do all the time there is a price to pay and it means losing guys like Franson and Kulemin. Trading all those draft picks away also has a price, an empty prospect pool and bunch of overpaid, over the hillers instead. This team has glaring holes like a number one C and a better defense, signing Franson means you stay bad and cant afford them i.e Statsny.

In short I believe he is gone. This is one horrible team, very poorly designed and we need to upgrade wherever we can. You dont spend to the cap max. and ice the kind of junk the Leafs do. No, this team will have to tank to repair the massive damage Burke did and we really dont need Franson to finish 8th worst. From 8 th last to 8th last in 6 years and an empty prospect pool dictate things for us.

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

Bring everyone back

 

[Banic]

He will be testing free agency soon and should easily get $3M on the market. But is he worth $3M to us ? Unless we start unloading some of our many bad contracts I don't see how we can afford him.

Phaneuff,Gleason,Lupul,Clarkson and Kessel are a huge part of our payroll and have proven to be more or less junk.Soon guys like Gardiner,Kadri,Bernier will be lining up for their retirement packages too.The Leafs are in a mess, we need young cheap guys to put in.When you make massive mistakes like the Leafs do all the time there is a price to pay and it means losing guys like Franson and Kulemin. Trading all those draft picks away also has a price, an empty prospect pool and bunch of overpaid, over the hillers instead. This team has glaring holes like a number one C and a better defense, signing Franson means you stay bad and cant afford them i.e Statsny.

In short I believe he is gone. This is one horrible team, very poorly designed and we need to upgrade wherever we can. You dont spend to the cap max. and ice the kind of junk the Leafs do. No, this team will have to tank to repair the massive damage Burke did and we really dont need Franson to finish 8th worst. From 8 th last to 8th last in 6 years and an empty prospect pool dictate things for us.

Massive dmg Burke did? He didn't resign Phaneuf or Kessel (even though he shouldn't be mentioned in your post, but I digress). Nor did he waste a compliance buyout on Komi and to a lesser extent Grabo. He also did not have anything to do with Clarkson. The team was on an up and up and we have an AHL affiliate performing well. We definitely do not have a quality team but of all the management to blame right now Burke is not it.

 

[therealkoho]

Now I'm not exactly sure when Dreger married into the family, but back when Nonis was with the Canucks was the last time Dreger was actually accurate. I know there's a difference between causation and correlation but it's interesting to note.
Dreger being like how you described does not surprise me at all.

I used direct quotes from you to make a point, nothing else.

I think our views are just different. I understand where you're coming from but I just feel your points aren't that strong given the social media age we live in. I'm not saying Nonis is using Dreger like a puppet and doing all his bidding for him. I just think he leaks out tiny bits of info for Dreger to stay afloat in the business. At the end of the day, it's one tweet. I think it's mutually beneficial for both parties. One gets a media outlet without being quoted, while another creates static information for the league to decipher.

It just seems more efficient to spread generic information through the media. Especially when it's something as simple as, "my guy isn't getting enough value, he's going to be taken off the market if the offers don't improve".
I'm sure Nonis is not allergic to the telephone. He has to make the specific calls himself when he's settling or working on a deal. This IS a billion dollar industry. Face-to-face is a necessity to sign/re-sign a player. I'm not suggesting he negotiates 100% via twitter here.

last time

If I'm dealing with you on a piece of property, and you offer to buy it at XX amount of dollars, I will tell you immediately what I want for it, if you say no or make a counter offer then we negotiate

What I don't do is walk away and have my cousin tweet out that your offer isn't good enough

If I did that I'm pretty sure you'd tell me I was being an jerk for allowing that to go public and any deal would be off the table, in fact I'd almost guarantee you would'nt be saying what a master manipulator of social media I was

that again is just for illustration purposes and obviously not a real scenario

but seriously this whole Nonis gives Dreger inside info is a myth created by Dreger using that distant familial connection to make it seem plausible

 

[Mojo19]

Nonis should figure out what he's doing with Phaneuf before he re-signs Franson.