Management Discussion | Just Have a Plan

[arttk]

I swear this fan base is suffering so much PTSD from the Benning era that you guys assume any trades will lead to Benning-esque returns. Just chill out, nothing is going to happen for like a month since teams are still accruing capspace.
The rumors are like all over the place. The same Marek who said Canucks are targeting other team’s best prospects is now targeting win now players. Yeah like the ask is really going to change in 2 days….

 

[Orr4Norris]

We've been through this before. See: The Kesler trade. If they are after that type of trade, you can expect that type of return. A collection of lower-tier players between 25-28 years of age. They will trade Horvat for depth.

To quote Brough: "Guys, the magic beans didn't work last time ... but don't worry, these magic beans are different."

I don’t understand it. 1st round picks will get you good players in the summer if that is the direction they want to go.

 

[Vector]

Here's a link to the press conference that starts in about 5 minutes.

 

[racerjoe]

We've been through this before. See: The Kesler trade. If they are after that type of trade, you can expect that type of return. A collection of lower-tier players between 25-28 years of age. They will trade Horvat for depth.

To quote Brough: "Guys, the magic beans didn't work last time ... but don't worry, these magic beans are different."

I don't think this is completely fair for anyone now. Not saying a now trade is good, but that Kesler trade if we had good scouts could have been Bonino, McCaan, and Theodore... what an absolute trade... but we chose Sbisa...

 

[arttk]

I don't think this is completely fair for anyone now. Not saying a now trade is good, but that Kesler trade if we had good scouts could have been Bonino, McCaan, and Theodore... what an absolute trade... but we chose Sbisa...

That’s the thing people keep ignoring. Benning’s pro scouting was f***ing whack. Like a hockey trade does not naturally lead to bad outcomes. It’s just that Benning is so f***ing awful with his pro scouting and has missed on so many trades that this fan base is now apparently completely unable to grasp the idea that trading for non futures can have a good outcome.

 

[Vector]

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Jim Rutherford doesn't make sense.

He says we need major changes. Obviously we do. Actions have suggested otherwise.

 

[bossram]

We've been through this before. See: The Kesler trade. If they are after that type of trade, you can expect that type of return. A collection of lower-tier players between 25-28 years of age. They will trade Horvat for depth.

To quote Brough: "Guys, the magic beans didn't work last time ... but don't worry, these magic beans are different."

Repeat x1000 this decade. Same s***, same results. Just literally a decade later.

 

[Vector]

This is a fascinating press conference. Rutherford let's it morph into a state of address and let's the doctors leave.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

JR says we are stuck with contracts which is preventing changes.

Dude, you freaking added over 11 million dollars in wingers (Mikaylev and Boeser) last summer and added JT Miller (9 mil). You dug your own freaking grave.

 

[TruGr1t]

That’s the thing people keep ignoring. Benning’s pro scouting was f***ing whack. Like a hockey trade does not naturally lead to bad outcomes. It’s just that Benning is so f***ing awful with his pro scouting and has missed on so many trades that this fan base is now apparently completely unable to grasp the idea that trading for non futures can have a good outcome.

That is entirely justified. I'll believe it when I see it. This sort of "cutting corners" type of management typically tends to blow up in your face. Benning, or not. There are very few GMs who've managed it successfully, especially with the type of limitations here in Vancouver, and none of them works for the Canucks.

It very simply has a materially low probability of any type of legitimate success. If your intention is to tread water around 95 points, you might have a better chance.

 

[Vector]

 

[credulous]

rutherford straight up admits they can't afford to sign horvat because of the cap issues. maybe you should do something about that?

 

[Nucker101]

Only way things change is if people stop going to games. Doubt that’ll ever happen tho

Yeah, HFboards/twitter are the vocal minority. Go to games/bars/parties and talk to casual fans and you'll understand why they'll keep going to games.

Ownership is well aware of this fact too.

 

[mattydamon]

JR says we are stuck with contracts which is preventing changes.

Dude, you freaking added over 11 million dollars in wingers (Mikaylev and Boeser) last summer and added JT Miller (9 mil). You dug your own freaking grave.

So true, honestly still feels like a slightly less bad version of Dim Jim. (slightly)

 

[wonton15]

He’s being very candid about most things, most notably Horvat. He has basically admitted there is no choice but to trade him.



Kill me now

 

[credulous]

rutherford doesn't seem to have a lot of respect for the fans or the media. straight up claims they haven't decided to make a coaching change and that boudreau is the coach. i hope someone reminds him of these comments when they announce tocchet as the coach in a few weeks

 

[Bubbles]

rutherford straight up admits they can't afford to sign horvat because of the cap issues. maybe you should do something about that?

Maybe not sign Miller to that extension.

Rutherford is going to wish for a time machine at his next presser.

 

[drax0s]

"I'm not looking for a rebuild, I'd rather call it a re-tool".

Oh. So same plan. Okay.

 

[Deeds26]

Updated my avatar to show the situation we are in.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Jim Rutherford is like that buddy you know that acts all macho and says he's the boss of his relationship, when you know he's sweating bullets and clock watching because he has to be home in 48 minutes.

Guy has zero autonomy. Says what the media/fans wants to hear but his agenda has been set out for him by the owner. We all see through this.

 

[wonton15]

This is Benning 2.0

 

[TruGr1t]

Kinda hard when you don't have Sid, Geno and Letang ... hey Rutherford?

Also, sorry to the "sign Horvat" crowd. It ain't happening.

The "no plan" plan seems to still be in full effect.

 

[timw33]

Quotes coming out of this press conference aren't inspiring any confidence right now.

 

[wonton15]

Kinda hard when you don't have Sid, Geno and Letang ... hey Rutherford?

But we have Aman Joshua and Stillman!