GoldenSeal
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Oh that’s right! I forgot, thanks for reminding me. So Jones goes the other way. Should have kept Greiss.
Rumor: MAF has submitted a 10 team no-trade list
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Oh that’s right! I forgot, thanks for reminding me. So Jones goes the other way. Should have kept Greiss.
But why Jones? Surely they can do better than taking on the worst starter in the league + trading MAF within the division AND retaining salary.
GoldenSeal
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Right now both netminders aren’t that far off in terms of how bad imo. Change of scenery.
The Duck Knight
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The Knights will buy Fleury out before they trade him for another goalie with that kind of cap hit. That completely defeats the purpose of trading him.
jetsforever
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They could probably use a goalie.
De Montreal
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I don't know about that. A four year dead cap hit between 2 and 3 mil depending on the year doesn't help a team near the cap like Vegas is. They'd have about 10 mil to re-sign Lehner at 5 mil, bring in a backup, re-sign Cousins and Stephenson, and bring in an extra forward and d-man. I don't think they're going to do something like it for Jones but I can see them trading with Carolina or Minnesota for Reimer or Dubnyk and another contract that will help address one of those things. If nothing else, either of the goalies they'd acquire would probably be tradeable without having to take too much of a hit. They could trade Reimer or Dubnyk with a 2nd next year to clear the space. I don't think they can accomplish that with Fleury.
The Duck Knight
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What I should've said was the Knights are not going to carry a backup goalie with that kind of cap hit. If they were to trade Fleury for Dubnyk or Reimer they could then buy them out as they have more buyout friendly contracts.
Also disagree with the assessment of a Fleury buyout. The 3rd and 4th year aren't as important as getting through the 2 flat cap years coming up. Cap savings over those first 2 years is going to be the priority for getting rid of Fleury IMO.
If they can get to 10m in space it's more than enough for Lehner and the other guys they have to sign. Especially since they don't necessarily need to carry a full 23 man roster for the entire season with the AHL team in town.
Empoleon8771
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I threw this out on the Penguins boards for laughs, and I want to get the input of Knights fans as well. I'm thinking of a deal based around Johnson and futures for Fleury with X% salary retained. What is that percentage that works for both teams?
It should be noted that a Johnson buyout is fairly tame from a cap perspective outside of 2022-2023 and I think Vegas would be much more willing to buy out JJ and pay him $5.5 million over 6 years over buying out Fleury and paying him $8.33 million over 4 years. Retaining 50% on Fleury costs the Knights $6.25 million in real cash for comparison.
Here are the financial ramifications of doing Johnson and futures for Fleury at $5 million, with Vegas buying out Johnson after that, compared to Vegas buying out Fleury and Pittsburgh keeping JJ while running with DeSmith as the backup:
Here is the money comparison for those ideas:
It should be noted that a Johnson buyout is fairly tame from a cap perspective outside of 2022-2023 and I think Vegas would be much more willing to buy out JJ and pay him $5.5 million over 6 years over buying out Fleury and paying him $8.33 million over 4 years. Retaining 50% on Fleury costs the Knights $6.25 million in real cash for comparison.
Here are the financial ramifications of doing Johnson and futures for Fleury at $5 million, with Vegas buying out Johnson after that, compared to Vegas buying out Fleury and Pittsburgh keeping JJ while running with DeSmith as the backup:
- Vegas: 3.2/3.2/1.9/0.9 (plus 2 additional years at $900k)
- Vegas post MAF buyout: 2.6/3.1/2.1/2.1
- Pittsburgh: 5.1/5.1/0/0 ($5 million for Fleury plus $100k or so for DeSmith in the AHL)
- Pittsburgh with JJ and DeSmith: 4.5/4.5/3.25/0
Here is the money comparison for those ideas:
- Vegas: $9.07 million over 6 years, with years 1-4 costing $7.3 million
- Vegas post MAF buyout: $8.33 million over 4 years
- Pittsburgh: $11.43 million over 4 years
- Pittsburgh with JJ and DeSmith: $10.75 million over 4 years
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Why would Pittsburgh be on it? I doubt he would want to be the backup to Jarry.
CupInSIX
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Vegas shouldn't retain on MAF until Lehner (and possibly someone else) is signed. They might need every penny of cap space if they're going big game hunting on October 9th.
They need to take a cap dump back IMO, at least until they get their cap sorted out. That will be another problem for down the road.
They need to take a cap dump back IMO, at least until they get their cap sorted out. That will be another problem for down the road.
The agent doesn't matter to the GM as much as the player does. Hard to believe any GM would decline a player they want because they don't like the agent.
Why are they concerned with where he goes? Are they concerned that a declining goalie in his late 30’s is going to set the world on fire haha.
I think most teams looking for a goalie are to to wait for free agency and see what $4.5 million per year can get them. Most of those teams will be walking away with a better goalie then fleury.
No disrespect to the guy. I think he is a great dude. His run is coming to an end. The last two seasons have showed us that.
This makes the most sense.
2 years at $7 million is quite terrible. Even if you cut that $7 million in half, I still don’t find it appealing.
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Cousin Eddie
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Friedman said in NHL Network Radio yesterday that Vegas will either retain on Fleury or they’ll buy him out.
What what it's worth, many teams just ask all players for the no-trade list as part of the process. While this time I would agree it is more likely to be used.
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Montreal should sign him so we could have half our cap strapped to goalies. The Marc Bergevin way.
Fleury is worth a lot more than Jones. MAF is an inconsistent average to above average starter with experience winning a cup and was the Knights mvp in their first season. He wasn’t super solid last season but he was still better than Jones who hasn’t been good since 2017. Honestly the Knights shouldn’t deal Fleury until they’ve inked Lehner.
I do think Detroit or Carolina make sense if he’s moved.
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Fleury could have a ton of influence on where he lands. Not many teams can fit his cap and have the need. He could basically choose his destination, or wait to be exposed in the Seattle expansion draft if he doesn't find somewhere he wants to go.
Ex. No need to put Montreal on the list even if he was dead set against going there, because they don't have the room for him.
I could see him liking Carolina or Calgary.
Ex. No need to put Montreal on the list even if he was dead set against going there, because they don't have the room for him.
I could see him liking Carolina or Calgary.
Number1RedWingsFan52
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Yup we can definitely fit his 2 x $7,000,000 with no problem short term team not expected to compete, Perfect fit.
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