Lundqvist Watch: Back in tomorrow after four games off (Shutout)

[haakon84]

Is that...not good? When you said he's not God, did you simply mean that literally?

Never said it wasn't good. Is is top-15 all-time no? Someone else referred to Hank's play as God-like.

 

[Doctor No]

Never said it wasn't good. Is is top-15 all-time no? Someone else referred to Hank's play as God-like.

Oh good, you're back. Care to address your "replacement level" comments?

 

[haakon84]

Since I questioned your last "fact" with numbers, you're switching to broad-based conspiracies now?

Any time you'd like to get back to your "below replacement level" comment, that's fine with me. Any time.

No I just haven't crunched the numbers for "Replacement Level" goaltending yet. But if you look at these examples from a time when the league average save % was a little lower than it is now - replacement level save % is around .908. My inference is that it would be slightly higher.

http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2014/4/24/5620854/nhl-goaltending-replacement-level

Now I may change my tune to 'Lundqvist has played replacement level goaltending for the past calendar year' when I crunch the numbers. But that is still damning, especially considering the contract.

Also, it's no conspiracy theory. It's just greatly skewed in Lundqvist favor. No reason Lundqvist should have received a 1st place vote in '07-'08 because 28 other GM's voted for the best goaltenders that season (Nabokov/Brodeur). That vaulted him into 3rd place.

The most egregious example is '13'-'14. Where Lundqvist received 1 vote from a GM and that was for 1st place. Amazingly, no other GM in the league thought he was a top-3 goaltender, but someone just happened to think all other 29 GM's are idiots and Lundqvist was the best goaltender that season.

THEN in '14-'15 he receives 2 votes. Wouldn't you guess it? One is for 1st place (the other 3rd place). He wasn't even the best goalie on his own team that season!

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Haakon, why don't you just tell us what Lundqvist did to you personally?

Your baseless hate for him has spanned for years.

 

[haakon84]

It's not hate, its just a different critique. It's also not ignorant, I've been attentive to his play since he first entered the league. I've always thought he was consistently a bottom top-10 goaltender with a few seasons of top-3 peaks. It's good enough for this generation of goaltending but the position and game has changed in the past decade.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

It's not hate, its just a different critique. It's also not ignorant, I've been attentive to his play since he first entered the league. I've always thought he was consistently a bottom top-10 goaltender with a few seasons of top-3 peaks. It's good enough for this generation of goaltending but the position and game has changed in the past decade.

 

[haakon84]

Ok bottom was a bit harsh. He's always been a top-10 goaltender (consistency!) but he is not consistently a top-3 and definitely not top 2. He is right around the 5th best goaltender at any given season and he will give you months where he is the best and months where he is closer to average/below-average.

 

[Doctor No]

No I just haven't crunched the numbers for "Replacement Level" goaltending yet. But if you look at these examples from a time when the league average save % was a little lower than it is now - replacement level save % is around .908. My inference is that it would be slightly higher.

http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2014/4/24/5620854/nhl-goaltending-replacement-level

Now I may change my tune to 'Lundqvist has played replacement level goaltending for the past calendar year' when I crunch the numbers. But that is still damning, especially considering the contract.

So if you make multiple assumptions favorable to your conclusion (without checking them before making the claim), then your conclusion *might* hold (once you back away from the conclusion a bit)?

That's bold.

 

[Crease]

First game back: 27 saves, 0 goals, 1 bump on the noggin.

 

[Alluckks]

I'm surprised they didn't just bring out the white sheet and 12 gauge to the ice a few games back and put him down like a broken race horse.


Oh wait.

 

[llamateizer]

Technically, the title is false. But in our heart, he got the shutout

 

[NJDevs26]

Technically, the title is false. But in our heart, he got the shutout

The distinction doesn't help fantasy owners

 

[Orca Smash]

So he does not get credit for a shutout? Because he didnt play the full game? I dont think raanta faced a shot.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

So he does not get credit for a shutout? Because he didnt play the full game? I dont think raanta faced a shot.

Unfortunately, no.

It's bs, imo. To most of us Ranger fans, it's a shutout, haha.

 

[vippe]

In the end, only fantasy fans suffer from this. Obviously if Lundqvist somehow would manage 124 or 125 shutouts.. it would probably stain a bit for Lundqvist as well hah

 

[aufheben]

First game back: 27 saves, 0 goals, 1 bump on the noggin.

Most likely scenario is that Lundqvist comes back his head on straight and the Rangers have the best tandem in the league, to much chagrin of some.

 

[Phil McKraken]

Nice trio of comeback games, earns 2nd star of the week. That's exactly the kind of mental fortitude that makes him one of the best players of the past decade.

https://www.nhl.com/news/artemi-pan...3-stars-of-the-week/c-284851702?tid=282747176

 

[Irishguy42]

I think this thread has run it's course. Mods pls lock it up.