Lundqvist - Carey Price

[Albatros]

Lundqvist had a thoroughly solid career with only a few weaker seasons in his final years. Price has his reputation built on a handful of good seasons despite being pedestrian otherwise, often only backup quality. You could still argue that Price had the higher peak or whatever, but career-wise this is Lundqvist and it's not close.

 

[Machinehead]

In terms of goalies since the lockout, Lundqvist lives in his own little dimension sequestered from reality.

 

[Weztex]

INEC if you are a smart person that values longevity and consistency as opposed to a 2 year peak (no matter how dominant that peak may be)

I have Lundqvist over Price and I value peak over longevity. But reducing Price’s career to a 2 years peak won’t make for an accurate comparaison either.

Save %, 2010-11 to 2016-17 (7 seasons)

Rk	Player	SV%	Tm	Pos	From	To	Active	GP	GS	W	L	T/O	GA	SA	SV	GAA	SO	MIN
1	Tim Thomas	.923	TOT	G	2010	2014	3	164	155	88	54	14	372	4860	4488	2.38	14	9379
2	Carey Price	.923	MTL	G	2010	2017	7	375	372	210	127	37	848	11019	10171	2.29	35	22246
3	Cory Schneider	.923	TOT	G	2010	2017	7	320	308	142	119	45	693	8961	8268	2.26	23	18427
4	Cam Talbot	.922	TOT	G	2013	2017	4	186	179	96	64	18	418	5363	4945	2.32	18	10823
5	Braden Holtby	.922	WSH	G	2010	2017	7	307	299	191	73	31	678	8658	7980	2.31	32	17610
6	Tuukka Rask	.922	BOS	G	2010	2017	7	345	333	179	110	42	750	9583	8833	2.27	32	19794
7	Henrik Lundqvist	.921	NYR	G	2010	2017	7	404	399	228	139	32	914	11641	10727	2.31	37	23746
8	Roberto Luongo	.920	TOT	G	2010	2017	7	354	348	183	111	49	816	10231	9415	2.37	22	20628
9	Sergei Bobrovsky	.920	TOT	G	2010	2017	7	330	320	181	107	30	771	9614	8843	2.45	19	18902
10	Ben Bishop	.919	TOT	G	2010	2017	7	264	254	147	79	24	581	7202	6621	2.31	19	15074

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[hockeyfan2k18]

What if Lundqvist was Canadian. Would he be regarded as an even better goalie?

 

[Hisch13r]

What if Lundqvist was Canadian. Would he be regarded as an even better goalie?

Yes.

 

[Xirik]

Brodeur over both of them.

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[hockeyfan2k18]

Yes.

No further questions your honour.

 

[JT Kreider]

I have Lundqvist over Price and I value peak over longevity. But reducing Price’s career to a 2 years peak won’t make for an accurate comparaison either.

Save %, 2010-11 to 2016-17 (7 seasons)

Rk	Player	SV%	Tm	Pos	From	To	Active	GP	GS	W	L	T/O	GA	SA	SV	GAA	SO	MIN
1	Tim Thomas	.923	TOT	G	2010	2014	3	164	155	88	54	14	372	4860	4488	2.38	14	9379
2	Carey Price	.923	MTL	G	2010	2017	7	375	372	210	127	37	848	11019	10171	2.29	35	22246
3	Cory Schneider	.923	TOT	G	2010	2017	7	320	308	142	119	45	693	8961	8268	2.26	23	18427
4	Cam Talbot	.922	TOT	G	2013	2017	4	186	179	96	64	18	418	5363	4945	2.32	18	10823
5	Braden Holtby	.922	WSH	G	2010	2017	7	307	299	191	73	31	678	8658	7980	2.31	32	17610
6	Tuukka Rask	.922	BOS	G	2010	2017	7	345	333	179	110	42	750	9583	8833	2.27	32	19794
7	Henrik Lundqvist	.921	NYR	G	2010	2017	7	404	399	228	139	32	914	11641	10727	2.31	37	23746
8	Roberto Luongo	.920	TOT	G	2010	2017	7	354	348	183	111	49	816	10231	9415	2.37	22	20628
9	Sergei Bobrovsky	.920	TOT	G	2010	2017	7	330	320	181	107	30	771	9614	8843	2.45	19	18902
10	Ben Bishop	.919	TOT	G	2010	2017	7	264	254	147	79	24	581	7202	6621	2.31	19	15074

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Price had a season where he had a GAA of 2.59 and a .905 SV% and another season with a .916 SV% mixed in there. I'll be fair though and extend Price's dominant peak from the start of the 2013-14 season to the end of the 2017 season (so a 4 year peak with the one where he was injured and only played 12 games mixed in there). So yeah it is a 3 year peak instead.

I'll note that for the next time this thread comes up a few months down the road that in the past I was wrong with my "2 year dominant peak" argument, and it was actually 3.

Lundqvist went 7 save straight seasons where he didn't go below a .920 SV% and went above a 2.40 GAA one time. That is insane consistency.

And before that 7 year run, he didn't come close to anything as bad as that 2.59/.905 season that Price had either.

If we want to even look bigger picture here, Lundqvist had an 11 year run where he went above a 2.40 GAA twice, and was below a .915 SV% once.

Those are mind boggling numbers.

Not too mention he had 30 wins in all but one of those seasons and that was the lockout year where he still put up an absurd 24 wins in 43 games which was a 35 win pace over his usual 63 starts during that time period.

And only missed the playoffs ONCE and even that season the Rangers were only finally eliminated at Game 82 in a shootout.

And speaking of the playoffs we didn't even get to his numbers from the 2011 playoffs through Game 7 of the 2015 ECF.

 

[JT Kreider]

What if Lundqvist was Canadian. Would he be regarded as an even better goalie?

No, because there is nothing more that is needed for him to be regarded even higher than he is other than had he won a Cup. He is one of the rare players that nationality plays a factor in his standing.

If anything, his European traits helped his reputation. And had been Canadian that actually would backfire with how annoyed he would be shoved down our throats to the point where everyone was sick of hearing about him.

 

[Weztex]

I'll note that for the next time this thread comes up a few months down the road that in the past I was wrong with my "2 year dominant peak" argument, and it was actually 3.

Lundqvist went 7 save straight seasons where he didn't go below a .920 SV% and went above a 2.40 GAA one time. That is insane consistency.

Lundqvist had 8 season at 920sv% and Price has 5 (not counting his 2016 aborted season at .934). If you’re going to use that as a cutoff you may as well apply it to both. Consistency wasn’t there with Price but the fact that those seasons weren’t consecutive don’t erase them from his body of work.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

So with what we've seen so far in the Finals by Price, I think it's easy to say Lundqvist is the superior goaltender of his era, just want to stir up a debate about this, because I'm a Rangers fan and the Habs fans have irritated me for a long time saying Price is better than Hank, so I just wanna put this debate to rest and see if everyone agrees.

Here are their stats compared.

Player Comparison: Henrik Lundqvist vs. Carey Price | Stathead.com

Finals doesn't change anything. Tampa was expected to smoke Montreal and that's what's happening.

As for Price vs Lundqvist, I think they're pretty comparable. Pretty even goalies and both are fantastic. The big difference is health. Price misses out on playoffs in 2013 and 14 (ironically allowing Hank to advance without facing him) and he gets hurt in 2016 while on his way to another Vezina/Hart season. There will always be a bit of 'coulda been' to his career.

Ultimately, both are great goalies who were stuck on teams that weren't good enough to win (although Price's career - and this series - is not over yet so we'll see on that.) Lundqvist has the edge in regular season but Price was better in the playoffs. They're the two best goalies of the the past 20 years.

 

[ICanMotteBelieveIt]

Finals doesn't change anything. Tampa was expected to smoke Montreal and that's what's happening.

As for Price vs Lundqvist, I think they're pretty comparable. Pretty even goalies and both are fantastic. The big difference is health. Price misses out on playoffs in 2013 and 14 (ironically allowing Hank to advance without facing him) and he gets hurt in 2016 while on his way to another Vezina/Hart season. There will always be a bit of 'coulda been' to his career.

Ultimately, both are great goalies who were stuck on teams that weren't good enough to win (although Price's career - and this series - is not over yet so we'll see on that.) Lundqvist has the edge in regular season but Price was better in the playoffs. They're the two best goalies of the the past 20 years.

Wait, what?! You think playoffs Price is better than playoffs Lundqvist? Surely you're just joking, right?

 

[wetcoast]

Hank for now. If Price wins a cup he equals or surpasses him.

Well that’s a really big if so no he won’t.

 

[amnesiac]

What if Lundqvist was Canadian. Would he be regarded as an even better goalie?

always one poster on here

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Wait, what?! You think playoffs Price is better than playoffs Lundqvist? Surely you're just joking, right?

No, Price is better and more consistent. Gets crushed as a kid but goes something like .925 from the time he takes the starter's role onward. He's led bad teams to at least four huge upsets and came within a game 7 OT goal of knocking off the eventual cup champs in 2011. He's been better.

 

[hockeyfan2k18]

No, because there is nothing more that is needed for him to be regarded even higher than he is other than had he won a Cup. He is one of the rare players that nationality plays a factor in his standing.

If anything, his European traits helped his reputation. And had been Canadian that actually would backfire with how annoyed he would be shoved down our throats to the point where everyone was sick of hearing about him.

interesting that you think being Canadian actually hurts Price.

 

[hockeyfan2k18]

No, Price is better and more consistent. Gets crushed as a kid but goes something like .925 from the time he takes the starter's role onward. He's led bad teams to at least four huge upsets and came within a game 7 OT goal of knocking off the eventual cup champs in 2011. He's been better.

Price is the better goalie but Halak’s upsets were more impressive. Anyways, I think people tend to play up the “bad teams” thing. It is easier to upset teams when you play in front of a defensive system....hence why the Habs would knock off a team and then quickly get dismissed in the next round.

price and lunqvist are in the same tier. Flip a coin on who’s better.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Price is the better goalie but Halak’s upsets were more impressive.

Who gives a f*** about Halak? Steve Penny's upset in 85 was great enough that folks who remember it still talk about it today... but it has nothing to do with anything.

 

[hockeyfan2k18]

Who gives a f*** about Halak? Steve Penny's upset in 85 was great enough that folks who remember it still talk about it today... but it has nothing to do with anything.

There is literally no need to discuss Price with you on an objective level. Zero. Seeya

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

There is literally no need to discuss Price with you on an objective level. Zero. Seeya

Dude, Halak is long gone. Let it go.

 

[amnesiac]

Wait, what?! You think playoffs Price is better than playoffs Lundqvist? Surely you're just joking, right?

They're pretty even... I don't know why you think otherwise.

Reg season is obviously a different story.

 

[ICanMotteBelieveIt]

Look

They're pretty even... I don't know why you think otherwise.

Reg season is obviously a different story

Look up Hank's game 7 record. He's clutch AF.

 

[amnesiac]

Look

Look up Hank's game 7 record. He's clutch AF.

I don't deny that, still doesn't mean he's THAT much better than Price in the playoffs.

 

[Doctyl]

In terms of goalies since the lockout, Lundqvist lives in his own little dimension sequestered from reality.

This graph really should just end any Lundqvist debates. Without a doubt the best post-lockout goalie of his generation.

 

[hockeyfan2k18]

Dude, Halak is long gone. Let it go.

No shit. But exactly my point. You can't even discuss other goalies. My point is mediocre goalies can have great series performances and carry bad teams for a series. But you're incapable of discussing Price in an objective manner. The fact that you claim "let it go" is evidence that it's you who can't "let it go". Probably switch channels when Halak highlights come on the screen.

Players can't be bigger than the team, and as I said, with some Price fans it seems to be Price first, Habs 2nd. Which is fine...just don't expect me to take you seriously on this topic.

Now I'm done.