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Zeeker

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Lundqvist carried some pretty mediocre Rangers teams very far in the mid 2010s. It’s probably him by a small margin.

With the caveat being that Price is doing the exact same this year, and he’s currently playing against a caliber of team that Lundqvist and the Rangers never had to deal with.
 
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Ezpz said:
Price is slightly better and his career isn't done yet. A couple more good seasons by Price puts him clearly ahead(if he's got that left in him). Lundqvist played on average on better teams than Price their entire careers. The Rangers were consistently a playoff team and semi-contenders. There was certainly no "cinderella run" talk when the Rangers made the second-third round or the finals.

Lundqvist also played almost his entire career in the inflated goalie stats era before the pad adjustments; which is one reason why Price's numbers(along with injury) have dropped comparatively as a greater bulk of Lundqvist's career was played in the inflated stats era. Let's say for arguments sake goalie 1 played 500 games in a low scoring era then 100 in a high scoring. His numbers look good. Then goalie 2 played 300 in low scoring and 150 in high scoring, his stats look slightly worse even though comparatively speaking he was better in every head to head year; because that's how averages work.

So even though Price was better statistically in the low scoring era, he still played and will play more seasons in the high scoring era which will average him slightly lower than Hank and makes it no longer a direct comparison as Price is dealing with a higher quality of competition with worse equipment.

On top of this Price has played for basement teams his entire career and carried them to the playoffs, and even the finals. Lundqvist's only finals appearance is because Price was injured, Habs would have slapped the rangers. I see a lot of revisionist history lately that "McDonagh wasn't even a #1" or that Girardi-Staal-McDonagh-Stralman wasn't considered the best top 4 in hockey. Or that the top free agents didn't consistently sign with the Rangers every year for a decade.

This is such a close argument and most of the people who work in hockey don't share your viewpoint. The only time you even dare to make this argument is when Carey has a bad game. Which shows the bias and weakness to your argument to begin with.
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This narrative needs to die. Tokarski had a .916 save percentage that series and Price had a .919 save percent for the previous two rounds. Habs fans really like to forget that Tokarski stole game 3 and nearly stole game 6, and that the Rangers scored 4 on Price in game 1 before his injury. The Rangers were simply the better team. Why is that so hard to accept?

Of course, to categorize the Pacioretty/Subban era Canadiens as a "basement team" is incredibly disingenuous at best. Price had a .905 save percentage in 2012-13 and the Habs still finished 2nd in the east. No one is calling the 2012-16 Rangers bottom feeders btw, almost everyone is referring to the mid-late 2000s Rangers who were actually bottom feeders before Hank's arrival; they were far worse than any team Price has played on. If Hank post's a .905 in 2007-08 then Stamkos is our captain.

Price is a great goalie, but he never had the sheer consistency that Hank did, on both good teams and bad. I'm taking the King every single time.
 
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who_me? said:
This is like arguing who is the taller midget. They are both overrated, and both choked in the biggest series of their career.
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They hardly choked.

Lundqvist carried the Rangers there and were overmatched by one of the best teams of the decade.

Price has done the same. It is seemingly a similar SCF scenario, but the series isn't over.
 
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If the Rangers have a legit #1 C in 2014 they may very well win the cup. Or if their coach was smart enough not to overplay Staal and Girardi they probably win too.

Hank is certainly not the reason the Rangers lost in 2014 or 2015.
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It’s crazy that Zibanejad, Panarin, or Fox would all be our best players in those cup runs. If we had at least one of them and stayed healthy im confident we squeeze out one cup win
 
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Even though Price had one of the single greatest calender years any hockey player has had in a long time, Lundqvist's consistency and longevity outweighs that.

I can not stress in hindsight how mediocre the Rangers roster was in 2012-15 and yet they were the 3rd best team in the league over that stretch other than Chicago and LA.

He'd also have at least 2 more Vezina's to his name if he didn't lose out to some guys named Tim Thomas and Martin Brodeur in his earlier years.

I mean in the year before his Vezina, he had 36 wins with a GAA of 2.23 and a SV% of .923. And that still somehow was not good enough?!?!
 
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Lundqvist is closer to a goalie like Belfour, maybe top 10?

Luongo and Price are maybe better comparables
 
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