Looking ahead to the 2015 Draft
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RCola88
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Im not by any means, but it is something to consider if the hefty price is willing to be met with the emergence of Ekholm and Ellis as our second pairing.
We honestly need a #1 center to be elite, the stacked defense and goalie can only go so far. I could be wrong, and would love to be proven wrong.
Nashville needs #1C to go with top 4 and Rinne. Jones would go along way in getting that franchise hole addressed. Maybe Poile can work some more magic!
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jwhouk
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Oh, yeah, I'm asbo-LUTE-ly sure Edmonton would trade us McDavid for Jones, straight up. Yeah, uh-huh, sure.
AtlantaWhaler
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Im pretty sure it has to do with the fact that he isnt just blowing people away, and the concern is his trade value will only get lower.
But Im pretty sure Poile has no intention of trading him, unless the deal is just so good he'd be a fool to refuse
because he has the value to land us a quality player and as long as Weber and Josi are here he will not be a first pairing defender.
Jones has a chance to be something special but we can't wait on potential forever. If we are a serious contender and trading Jones gives us the best chance to win, we have to take it. You can't build for the future forever (Edmonton).
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But we haven't been building forever. It's been one full season with him. Just because we have a strong top pairing doesn't mean we have great defense.
I'll agree to that, just pointing out that of the pieces we bring to the table, Seth is the one with the most value outside of Weber, Rinne, and Josi.
Personally I'm opposed to trading him at the moment, however I would understand if he was dealt to address a need elsewhere.
Pred303
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when you look at our roster, determining the time 'window' we have is difficult.
we have maybe 2 more years of some of the aging vets like fisher, ribiero, gaustad, volchenkov at best.
maybe 2-3 more years of rinne being in his prime.
probably 3-5 years from weber, neal in their prime
most of our defensive corps and forsberg, wilson, smith of course have much longer.
rinne's peek length at 32 already being the most difficult to know. and the most critical right now.
without major overhalls this roster might require considerable retooling relatively shortly. do we try take advantage of rinne prime years or not, becomes the real question in my mind.
we have maybe 2 more years of some of the aging vets like fisher, ribiero, gaustad, volchenkov at best.
maybe 2-3 more years of rinne being in his prime.
probably 3-5 years from weber, neal in their prime
most of our defensive corps and forsberg, wilson, smith of course have much longer.
rinne's peek length at 32 already being the most difficult to know. and the most critical right now.
without major overhalls this roster might require considerable retooling relatively shortly. do we try take advantage of rinne prime years or not, becomes the real question in my mind.
If we aren't going to take advantage of Rinne's prime years we blow it up and trade him and Weber, IMO.
Viqsi
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Because Suter. And especially Hamhuis. "Trade him before he realizes he could be the undisputed #1 elsewhere and walks!"
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to me thats what makes this year so interesting. I really think Poile and everyone else thought this was going to be a bit of a band aid year, get back to the playoffs but not really a serious threat for the cup.
But the performance out of the gate may have Poile and the owners thinking the time is now... if so, I wouldnt be shocked to see some trades, if not now, then definitely towards the deadline
Even if they won't admit it, I feel like some people have a vendetta against Jones simply because he's a defenseman and the 2013 draft was supposed to be our chance to get an elite young forward. When Tallon and Yzerman picked Barkov and Drouin it pissed off a lot of our fans because those guys were supposed to be surefire studs and we got screwed...or something..even though in reality he got extremely lucky in getting him IMO. He's been over-analyzed because he was going to have to be a superstar, and fast, or else he would be a disappointment because we didn't have Barkov or Drouin, who by the way haven't done squat. I think it's insane, but I think there's a prevailing mindset with some fans that Jones "isn't really that good" or he's "not developing fast enough" and he's expendable since we're "so deep on defense". In reality he's barely 20 years old and he is learning on the fly, and that's a lot more difficult for a D-man. I think trading Jones would be stupidity unless there's a return of biblical proportions. Honestly, I'm more worried about Josi getting another concussion than anything else regarding Jones.
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Pred303
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i don't disagree at all on jones.
you know jones is going to be a first pair dman. a good one. it's simply a question of how high his ceiling will be. will he be good or will he be a superstar at some point are the questions. at this age, it's impossible to know.
we must always keep in mind poile here. poile was run out of town over trading a superstar d-man in washington when he dealt stevens. this will influence any trade he ever makes or doesn't make. the ONLY way jones is traded is for a sure fire superstud. maybe a McDavid gamble level type deal? still a huge risk for poile trading a potential budding star for an unproven if thought to be a generational type forward talent.
we simply cann't forget poile's past here though
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jwhouk
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Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
But, y'see, that's inevitable because, y'know, reasons, and so every day he goes untraded is another day that the Preds don't have the star forward they were Always Meant To Have That Day! It's SCIENCE.
Seriously. "We have to trade Jones" is going to be the next "We have to trade Legwand", if it hasn't become that already. Neither will ever be forgiven for not being star forwards.
jwhouk
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I don't "want" to trade Jones. I just want a young #1C, and he's the only asset on our team that can fetch one and is, IMO, expendable. I think he will be an awesome player.
jwhouk
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Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
Hon? It doesn't work that way. A young #1C is the sort of asset that, generally speaking, is willingly given up by nobody. When it happens, it's generally because of a horrible accident in evaluation of a player. You have to watch for opportunities and be ridiculously lucky in the outcome.
The Preds have already been lucky in that regard twice in the last two years, with Jarnkrok and especially Forsberg. Things are going unbelievably, unprecedentedly well in that regard, and it's getting ignored because folks are too busy chasing this impossible dream of Instant Superstar, Just Add Ice Time. That does not happen. Shea Weber didn't become Shea Weber overnight.
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Jarnkrok and Forsberg are not #1C's (Forsberg isn't even a C) so no the Preds did not get that lucky twice in the past 2 years. They did get lucky in the Forsberg deal, but not in the way you are pointing out.
glenngineer
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I don't think she was referring to them as 1C's, it was more to the point of getting valuable assets because a team was either chasing a dream or evaluated talent incorrectly or a little bit of both. That's the way I took the statement anyway.
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
Correct. You get a cookie.
Alternative analogy: "we've won $3m and $5m from two lottery partial wins in the last two years and y'all are kvetching 'cause we didn't get the $10m grand prize."
