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You didnt quote my whole pist for some reason lol. i get it but OK.
No not all those players would have been 1st rd picks, let alone early 1st rd picks as you posted if their agents/advisors said they would play anywhere. Incorrect again Sam. You are exaggerating for effect. Doesnt help your arguement.
And as far as Stanges goes other teams persued him. One other team thought they had him locked up but he changed his mind. So it wasnt London or nothing. LK doesnt knock on his door, he is still in the OHL imo. And thats from more than 1 person.
( re read Ottos posts - they are teens, minds change!!!!)
Bolded is just what you assume but London has done great with non-American prospects as well.
See: Bouchard, Formenton, Foudy, Thomas....late OHL first/2nd/late round to NHL 1st/high NHL 2nd picks...that's what you call development. Horvat: 9th in the OHL 1st round -> 9th in the NHL 1st round.
I'd argue they're a top 2-3 drafting and developing team in the OHL, with or without Americans. Potentially the best.
Yes, I was totally embarrassing myself by saying it isn't hard for a team to develop prospects if they get to choose from the top prospects in North America.
London isn't some godly organization at developing prospects, they just get a majority of the highly praised ones. As long as the talent is there to work with, any team in the league could have done the exact same thing with those players that London has done in the past.
You've stooped so low to attempt to personally attack me over a healthy conversation about Junior Hockey, Congratulations!
Ok. You've been given the opportunity to express your point of view, and to respond to posters. Good luck with your proposals. It seems that posters would like to move on, and after all, this is the Knights' board/thread.ok regula maybe, maybe not. I'm not sure, but if you are going to tell me Tkachuk, Dvorak and Stranges were not going to be early 1st round pick than you know absolutely nothing about junior hockey!
First and Second round OHL picks usually result in high draft picks.
You can make the argument on Formenton and Horvat, but that's arguable for every OHL team with players that turn out to be absolute gems.
I understand where you're coming from, but high-quality prospects usually turn into high quality players if they're motivated enough.
And again I'll ask the question... because you continue to ignore it... how stacked would other teams be right now if they took Tkachuk, Dvorak and Stranges before London?ok regula maybe, maybe not. I'm not sure, but if you are going to tell me Tkachuk, Dvorak and Stranges were not going to be early 1st round pick than you know absolutely nothing about junior hockey!
Antonio Stranges was going to be a Windsor Spitfire right up until draft day. Ask around. London couldn't lose in that situation. They woulda had JL Foudy and Evangelista had Windsor taken Stranges 10th. And then we'd be having a different conversation.ok regula maybe, maybe not. I'm not sure, but if you are going to tell me Tkachuk, Dvorak and Stranges were not going to be early 1st round pick than you know absolutely nothing about junior hockey!
ok regula maybe, maybe not. I'm not sure, but if you are going to tell me Tkachuk, Dvorak and Stranges were not going to be early 1st round pick than you know absolutely nothing about junior hockey!
And again I'll ask the question... because you continue to ignore it... how stacked would other teams be right now if they took Tkachuk, Dvorak and Stranges before London?
I’ve already answered this in a previous post, but since you still don’t get it, I’ll answer this again I suppose.
With a different set of draft rules, players like Matthew Tkachuk, Christian Dvorak, Alec Regula and Antonio Stranges just to name a few would NOT be knights.
In that system, those players would actually be playing on another team and not traded to the LKs, not sure why you are insisting they have to end up in London. The players would have entered the drafted declaring their eligibility.
The whole point of altering the draft system is so those high caliber players will end up playing the majority of their careers on another team and not necessarily london.
Sorry, but if you still don’t get that, it probably best for you to just move on…
Stranges yes. Im done as you didnt respond to the last exaggerated claim you made that was called out on.
TY for the compliment
Again....WHAT STOPPED OTHER TEAMS FROM TAKING THESE 2 PLAYERS????Matthew Thachuk was a slam dunk high 1st rounder. He was a highly sought after US born players, offered lucrative NCAA scholarship. You must know that? Everyone else on here does!
As for Christian Dvorak, here are some of the reports on him prior to the ohl draft. In 2012, Dvorak was drafted in round 1 #6 overall by Chicago Steel in the USHL.
Christian Dvorak, Chicago Mission U18
One of the most highly regarded players to lace up the skates for the Mission is forward Christian Dvorak has committed to Wisconsin. A really, really nice pickup for the Wisconsin coaching staff. Blue-chip type talent.
U.S. Hockey Report on Dvorak from the USA Hockey Select 16 festival (2012):
"Has a gifted set of mitts and is lethal on the man advantage. Dvorak was incredibly impressive, creating scoring chance after scoring chance against the best players in the Midwest. Dvorak is so intelligent on the ice it appears as if he's always thinking three steps ahead of everyone else.
Holy crap dude.... no... just no... you haven't answered my question at all...
Let me try this again...
Supposing... under the current system as we have it today... Tkachuk was taken by Peterborough, Dvorak was taken by Sarnia, Regula was taken by Sudbury, and Stranges was taken by Owen Sound .... they are property of THOSE teams.... then THOSE teams turn around and trade their rights ... how stacked would the Pete's, Sting, Wolves, and Attack be today?
Get it??
Matthew Thachuk was a slam dunk high 1st rounder. He was a highly sought after US born players, offered lucrative NCAA scholarship. You must know that? Everyone else on here does!
As for Christian Dvorak, here are some of the reports on him prior to the ohl draft. In 2012, Dvorak was drafted in round 1 #6 overall by Chicago Steel in the USHL.
Christian Dvorak, Chicago Mission U18
One of the most highly regarded players to lace up the skates for the Mission is forward Christian Dvorak has committed to Wisconsin. A really, really nice pickup for the Wisconsin coaching staff. Blue-chip type talent.
U.S. Hockey Report on Dvorak from the USA Hockey Select 16 festival (2012):
"Has a gifted set of mitts and is lethal on the man advantage. Dvorak was incredibly impressive, creating scoring chance after scoring chance against the best players in the Midwest. Dvorak is so intelligent on the ice it appears as if he's always thinking three steps ahead of everyone else.
Again....WHAT STOPPED OTHER TEAMS FROM TAKING THESE 2 PLAYERS????
Honest question Sam...are you remedial? You've dodged the same question about 10 times and still haven't even come close to offering an answer within the same subject matter as the questionGroundhog day!!!
Why would those teams draft that player and then turn around and trade a committed player?
You want a league where these teams can keep that player to build their team around. Make him the face of your franchise, market him and sell that to your fan base. Just like Sudbury has done with Quinton Byfield.
The point of this discussion it to have this high calibre players on other teams, of course when you eventual have to trade them you get a lot of picks back, we all know that and see that at every trade deadline. A shift in the ohl draft would allow teams to keep those players on their team so they can rebuild around them.
Exactly...the current OHL Draft system is far from broken. What's broken is only a handful of teams know how to use it correctly for their own personal gain. You can't blame the teams that know how something works, well you can if you have no idea how it works yourself.With the hopes of changing that players mind... or at the very least to get some return for him now..... and it happens every year..... so instead of whining, get your house in order, make your organization one that players want to report to, work on changing the players opinion of you, involve alumni , take the best player available, and if he still doesn't report move him for a boat load of picks, you could then flip those picks for another player if you so choose. This gets the best players playing in the league, and also creates healthy rivalries.